Re: Re:: Air Layering

I work for money grubbing slave drivers. We are not machines but they
treat us that way. And it's a privately held company so no stockholders
to be accountable to. They can pretty well do as they please.


Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Melody
Sent: 6/24/2004 9:30:26 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re:: [CHAT] Air Layering

> Pam: Do you work someplace that has enforced mandatory overtime?
> Ugh...thank goodness our nurses here are unionized or I'd probably be
> doing the same thing...
> 
> 
> 
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> 
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
> --Albert Einstein
> 
>  --- On Thu 06/24,  < gardenqueen@academicplanet.com > wrote:
> From:  [mailto: gardenqueen@academicplanet.com]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:24:46 -0500
> Subject: Re:: [CHAT] Air Layering
> 
> Can't make it doll - will most likely have to work that Saturday. Bad at
> work right now, they're flogging us to death...<br><br>Pam
> Evans<br>Kemp, TX<br>zone 8A<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From:
> Jesse Bell<br>Sent: 6/24/2004 6:22:01 AM<br>To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] Air Layering<br><br>>
> Pam, when you come up for the wedding...I will show you how my brother
> does it.<br>> <br>> Jess<br>> <br>> "Richard T. Apking"
> <richa@midlands.net> wrote:<br>> Regarding the air-layering, it's only
> necessary to have a vertical branch if<br>> you are using the device you
> all have been talking about. The old fashioned<br>> way, using wraps and
> tapes, can be done on a horizontal branch as well.<br>> However, in my
> somewhat limited experience, either way(horizontal or<br>> vertical)
> will work, and Pam, your viburnam's are among the easiest to air<br>>
> layer or start from cuttings. Rich in Z-5 where today's high will
> almost<br>> reach 70.<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From:
> <br>> To: <br>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:01 AM<br>> Subject: Re:
> Re: Re: [CHAT] Air Layering<br>> <br>> <br>> > Hmm, my viburnums are
> more horizontal than vertical too. But do keep me<br>> posted
> please!<br>> ><br>> > Pam Evans<br>> > Kemp, TX<br>> > zone 8A<br>> >
> ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: Kitty<br>> > Sent: 6/23/2004
> 10:39:42 PM<br>> > To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> > Subject: Re: Re:
> [CHAT] Air Layering<br>> ><br>> > > I've got one started now, we'll see.
> The tricky part was that the limb<br>> used<br>> ><br>> > > must be
> vertical and my Magnolia is virtually all horizontal. So I had<br>>
> to<br>> ><br>> > > tie the limb up to make this work. This doesn't seem
> to be necessary in<br>> ><br>> > > regular air layering.<br>> ><br>> >
> ><br>> ><br>> > > Kitty<br>> ><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> > > ----- Original
> Message ----- <br>> ><br>> > > From: <br>> ><br>> > > To: <br>> ><br>> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:33 PM<br>> ><br>> > > Subject: Re:
> Re: [CHAT] Air Layering<br>> ><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> > ><b
> 
> r>> ><br>> > > > Has anyone tried those rooter pots? Do they work?<br>>
> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > Pam Evans<br>> ><br>> > > > Kemp, TX<br>>
> ><br>> > > > zone 8A<br>> ><br>> > > > ----- Original Message -----<br>>
> ><br>> > > > From: Kitty<br>> ><br>> > > > Sent: 6/22/2004 7:49:40
> PM<br>> ><br>> > > > To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> ><br>> > > > Subject:
> Re: [CHAT] Air Layering<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > >
> Libby,<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > I found this description w/
> illustration:<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > >
> http://www.texas-rose-rustlers.com/propagat.htm<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > In addition to the sphagnum-wrap air layering I was
> familiar with,<br>> they<br>> ><br>> > > show<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > another method called the Tape Method. I found it very
> interesting<br>> and<br>> ><br>> > > just<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>>
> > > > > might try it.<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > And here's
> another one that covers several types of layering.<br>> ><br>> > >
> ><br>> ><br>> > > > >
> 
>     http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/hil/hil-8701.html<br>>
> 
> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > >
> Kitty<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- <br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > From: "Libby Valentine" <br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> >
> > > > To: <br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22,
> 2004 4:35 PM<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT]
> Air Layering<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > ><br>> ><br>> > >
> ><br>> ><br>> > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > Anybody
> care to do the 2 minute summary for those of us who are<br>> not<br>>
> ><br>> > > plant<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > propagators?
> (yet!)<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > > Thanks!<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > Libby<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> >
> > > > > MD zone 6<br>> ><br>> > > >
> 
> <b
> r>> ><br>> > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > -----
> Original Message ----- <br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > From:
> "Donna" <br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > To: <br>> ><br>> > >
> ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:13 PM<br>> ><br>>
> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Air Layering<br>> ><br>>
> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > Well Jim... now that is
> interesting!<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > >
> ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > You are saying that even after time in the
> ground, something<br>> that<br>> ><br>> > > was<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > > > 'air layered' will never get a tap root? How in the
> world can<br>> they<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > survive
> for any length of time without one?<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > >
> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > I have to admit I know
> nothing about air layering other than a<br>> 1/2<br>> ><br>> > >
> hour<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > special that included
> some highlights among other things. Not<br>> enough<br>> ><br>> > >
> ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > info to really understand the process or how
> it worked.<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > >
> ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > I am majorly confused here. ... nothing
> new:)<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > > > Donna<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > >
> Hum... must of us got here.... like some of us didn't? LOL!<br>> ><br>>
> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > >
> > I've done some air layering, Jesse, but not a lot. It is the<br>>
> way<br>> ><br>> > > most<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > >
> litchis, macadamia nuts, and rubber plants [Ficus elastica],<br>>
> and,<br>> ><br>> > > I'm<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > >
> sure, many other plants are usually propagated. The Royal<br>> ><br>> >
> > Horticulture<br>> ><br>> > >
> 
> ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > Society's propagation book [AHS published it
> as "Plant<br>> ><br>> > > Propagation"]<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> >
> > > > > > > has very good instructions in how to air layer stuff.<br>>
> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > >
> > > > > > The one disadvantage to air layering [verses propagation
> by<br>> seed<br>> ><br>> > > or by<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > >
> > > > grafting scion wood onto a seedling] is that the air layered<br>>
> ><br>> > > clones<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > will not
> produce tap roots. Most of the commercial litchi<br>> orchards<br>>
> ><br>> > > in<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > south Florida
> were simply blown away by hurricane Andrew<br>> because<br>> ><br>> > >
> the<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > trees had no tap
> roots.<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > ><br>> ><br>> > >
> ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > I think the general rule is that any plant
> that can be<br>> propagated<br>> ><br>> > > by<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > > > > cuttings, can also be air layered, but there are
> other<br>> plants--the<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > >
> afore-mentioned macadamias and rubber plants--that do not [or<br>>
> only<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > rarely] respond as
> cuttings. Cuttings have the same<br>> no-tap-root<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > > > > > problem<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > >
> that air layers have but generally they are easier to<br>>
> propagate<br>> ><br>> > > and<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > >
> > require a whole lot less time to do so. I usually try cuttings<br>>
> ><br>> > > first;<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > then air
> layering; then seedling and grafting [provided, of<br>> ><br>> > >
> course, I<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > have seedlings and
> access to scion wood].<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > ><br>>
> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > > > > > Sometimes I do just seedlings.
> "Just seedlings" is
> 
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