Re: Indiana wants me...

Not that one Cathy.  I only had a few of them Cathy, however, I have the
most gorgeous purple coming out just now called Purple Veil.  It's about 6"
across and has a silvery sheen to it.  As soon as I take a pic I'll send to
Donna as we seem a little busy around here to get my wife to fiddle with the
site right at the moment.

David Franzman
A Touch of the Tropics
www.atouchofthetropics.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cathy carpenter" <cathyc@rnet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Indiana wants me...


> Is the picture on your web site?
> Cathy
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 12:59 PM, David Franzman wrote:
>
> > The home of Dan Quayle?  Not in our lifetime!  By the way, did I ever
> > tell
> > you folks that one of the varieties of Hibiscus that I have is a really
> > beautiful purple and is named Marilyn Quayle?  It's from a hybridizer
> > in
> > Florida.  I once asked him how I was supposed to sell M.Q. in Marin
> > County,
> > home of the hot tubs, wealthy liberals and young men who fight with the
> > Taliban?  He just laughed.
> >
> > David Franzman
> > A Touch of the Tropics
> > www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
> >
> >
> >> Well, we can hope.  But if the Indiana electoral college votes for
> > president
> >> EVER went to the man for whom I voted, it would be a first.
> >>
> >> Kitty
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:37 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
> >>
> >>
> >>> I don't know Kitty. I tell the Bushophiles around here, if your boy
> >>> doesn't get us the H outta Iraq before November, I think he's toast.
> >>> People are FED up.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pam Evans
> >>> Kemp, TX
> >>> zone 8A
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Kitty
> >>> Sent: 6/29/2004 9:10:33 AM
> >>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
> >>>
> >>>>>  NOW THAT IS SCARY!  My God people do your civic duty, study the
> >>>
> >>>>> issues and vote.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> What is scary (and extremely upsetting)  to me is knowing that my
> >>>> vote
> >> this
> >>>
> >>>> November will go to Nimrod and Ripoff due to the antiquated
> >>>> electoral
> >>>
> >>>> college.  My only satisfaction is looking at the popular vote, which
> > of
> >>>
> >>>> course counted for nothing last time around, but still, I will have
> > done
> >> my
> >>>
> >>>> civic duty.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Kitty
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>>> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> >>>
> >>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:19 PM
> >>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Bonnie, it's disturbing!  Politics is the give and take of ideas
> >>>>> not
> >>>
> >>>> dogma.
> >>>
> >>>>> Certainly my views have shifted after hearing a well presented case
> >> and as
> >>>
> >>>> I
> >>>
> >>>>> age my beliefs blend and mellow.  Frankly, it's the extremes that
> >> irritate
> >>>
> >>>>> me on both sides.  Whoever doesn't agree with them are unthinking,
> >> godless
> >>>
> >>>>> and unAmerican.  I hate that!
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I believe the media has much to do with that.  Instead of
> >>>>> thoughtful
> >>>
> >>>>> discussion they have to get into these loud, bashing arguments
> > calling
> >>>
> >>>> each
> >>>
> >>>>> other names.  Just part of the dumbing down of America.  "What
> > should
> >> we
> >>>
> >>>>> watch tonight honey the Worlds Wrestling Federation or the Riley
> >> Report?"
> >>>
> >>>>> Pretty pathetic!
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> One last thing since I'm on a roll:  If 40% are rock solid on one
> > side
> >> or
> >>>
> >>>>> the other and only 6% are undecided and with only 50% of those
> >> elegable to
> >>>
> >>>>> vote actually doing so then roughly 26% of the electorate dictate
> >>>>> to
> >> the
> >>>
> >>>>> rest of the country the direction we will follow for at least the
> > next
> >>>
> >>>> four
> >>>
> >>>>> years.  NOW THAT IS SCARY!  My God people do your civic duty, study
> >> the
> >>>
> >>>>> issues and vote.
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> David Franzman
> >>>
> >>>>> A Touch of the Tropics
> >>>
> >>>>> www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>>>> From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> >>>
> >>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:36 PM
> >>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> I agree that there seems to be growing intolerance for differing
> >> ideas
> >>>
> >>>> and
> >>>
> >>>>>> that seems to be supported by some of the political analysis
> > groups.
> >>>
> >>>>> Seems
> >>>
> >>>>>> that around 40% of the voters are stuck on each side with little
> >>>
> >>>> movement
> >>>
> >>>>>> back and forth no matter what the news or issues.  Both parties
> >> target
> >>>
> >>>> the
> >>>
> >>>>>> true 6% undecided...now THAT is scary for a democracy.   (Jesse,
> > are
> >> you
> >>>
> >>>>>> truly in that 6%?)
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Husband and I went to see Fahrenheit 911 this afternoon...very
> >>>
> >>>>>> interesting...biased but definitely thought provoking.  I had
> > heard
> >>>
> >>>> about
> >>>
> >>>>>> some of the Saudi connections on a talk show a month back...no one
> >> knew
> >>>
> >>>>>> what the caller was talking about...there is also a book on this
> >> issue
> >>>
> >>>> in
> >>>
> >>>>>> addition to Moore's take.
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> [Original Message]
> >>>
> >>>>>>> From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Date: 06/28/2004 1:51:50 PM
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Let me add something to this.  Bonnie I agree with you that
> >> politics
> >>>
> >>>> is
> >>>
> >>>>> a
> >>>
> >>>>>>> difficult subject in a gardening group.  I enjoy it because I
> >> enjoy
> >>>
> >>>>>> politics
> >>>
> >>>>>>> and the discussion of ideas.  I don't add too much to it though
> >>>
> >>>> because
> >>>
> >>>>> I
> >>>
> >>>>>>> recognize that there are different ideas out there and not
> >> everybody
> >>>
> >>>>> likes
> >>>
> >>>>>>> debates.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> However, none of us had the tag "Re-Elect Nimrod and Ripoff for
> >>>
> >>>>> President"
> >>>
> >>>>>>> until Liz did which was on her first message she sent to the
> >> group.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Perhaps
> >>>
> >>>>>>> what she doesn't like is the fact that many of us don't agree
> > with
> >> her
> >>>
> >>>>>>> position instead of the content and/or subject.  You see I find
> > a
> >>>
> >>>>> growing
> >>>
> >>>>>>> lack of respect for differing views in this country from both
> > the
> >>>
> >>>> right
> >>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>
> >>>>>>> left but I'm thoroughly sick of those who profess to be
> >> conservative
> >>>
> >>>>>> calling
> >>>
> >>>>>>> all of us in the middle or slightly left of center as lefties,
> >>>
> >>>> liberals
> >>>
> >>>>> or
> >>>
> >>>>>>> commies and unAmerican to boot.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Liz, if you didn't like politics mixed into the garden soil then
> >> why
> >>>
> >>>> did
> >>>
> >>>>>>> your initial message have the Re-elect message at the bottom?
> > Go
> >> and
> >>>
> >>>>> see
> >>>
> >>>>>>> the movie!  Stretch your mind.  Keep an open mind and try and
> > see
> >> what
> >>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>
> >>>>>>> other side sees sometimes.  It may not change your mind but it
> >> might
> >>>
> >>>>> give
> >>>
> >>>>>>> you a different perspective.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> David Franzman
> >>>
> >>>>>>> A Touch of the Tropics
> >>>
> >>>>>>> www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>>>>>> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:37 PM
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Bonnie, Liz, and All -
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is the original posting:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> "I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was
> >> awesome!
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Everyone
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> should make an effort to see it."
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> The responses were short items about ticket prices, distances
> > to
> >>>
> >>>>>> theatres,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> plans to see it, and acquisition news.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> There was no mention of "stupidity" in regard to opposing
> > views.
> >> In
> >>>
> >>>>>> fact,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> no opposing views were voiced.  I don't see any harm in
> > someone
> >>>
> >>>>>> suggesting
> >>>
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> movie to the group.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> In fact, I fully intend to see Two Brothers when it gets to a
> >>>
> >>>> theatre
> >>>
> >>>>>>> close
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> to me.  I hope the dog-lovers out there aren't offended by my
> >> saying
> >>>
> >>>>> so.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Kitty
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:42 PM
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Liz, not all of us are left in more than our handedness.  It
> >> does
> >>>
> >>>>>> appear
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> that those with left political leanings are more vocal at
> > this
> >>>
> >>>> point
> >>>
> >>>>>>> than
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> those of us in the middle or leaning a little more right
> >>>
> >>>>> politically.
> >>>
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> am
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> not a fan of political name calling and bashing either,
> >> regardless
> >>>
> >>>>> of
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> party.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> I do think that while there is freedom of speech, courtesy
> >> would
> >>>
> >>>>>> dictate
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> that the political discussions should be done privately
> > rather
> >>>
> >>>> than
> >>>
> >>>>> in
> >>>
> >>>>>>> our
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> normally friendly little garden chat group.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Keeping it in this forum does make those of us with a
> >> different
> >>>
> >>>>>>> viewpoint
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> feel as though we are being told we are "stupid" for seeing
> >>>
> >>>> another
> >>>
> >>>>>> side
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> things by the tone of recent discussions.  I don't carry on
> >> about
> >>>
> >>>>>> Kerry,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kennedy (only to name a few)  or the things I find so
> >> distasteful
> >>>
> >>>> on
> >>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> left side, because I consider you all as friends and as
> >>>
> >>>> individuals
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> capable
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> of having independent ideas and I wouldn't want to make you
> >> think
> >>>
> >>>> I
> >>>
> >>>>>>> didn't
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> hold you in high esteem even though I disagree with much of
> >> what
> >>>
> >>>>> I've
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> heard
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> politically on this list lately.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> I do love all of you out there, regardless of your politics,
> >> but I
> >>>
> >>>>> too
> >>>
> >>>>>>> am
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> tiring of the one-sided nature of the political discussions
> > as
> >> of
> >>>
> >>>>>> late.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Could we all get back to more "friendly" and less political
> >>>
> >>>> topics?
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Even
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> topics regarding gardening, the ecology, natural resources
> > and
> >>>
> >>>> bills
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> associated with that would be O.K. if it were couched as
> >> something
> >>>
> >>>>> for
> >>>
> >>>>>>> all
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> to consider rather than laying blame and/or pointing fingers
> >> to
> >>>
> >>>> this
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> individual or party as if everything you read or hear in the
> >> press
> >>>
> >>>>>> were
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> fact.  There are two sides to every story.  And while we
> >>>
> >>>>> finger-point
> >>>
> >>>>>> to
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> some unnamed evil, remember that our society is what WE make
> >> of it
> >>>
> >>>>> and
> >>>
> >>>>>>> if
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> we
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> wanted only one view, we could relax and let someone become
> >>>
> >>>>> dictator.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> O.K., I'm off my soapbox.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Blessings,
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> >> [o*@hort.net]
> >>>
> >>>>> On
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of Elizabeth Gessler
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:43 PM
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Can someone please sned me the instructions to unsubscribe
> >> from
> >>>
> >>>> this
> >>>
> >>>>>>> list.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> wasn't aware that this was a politic list with obvious very
> >> left
> >>>
> >>>>>>> leanings.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Liz in PA
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Re-elect Bush-Cheney in 2004
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> >> [o*@hort.net]
> >>>
> >>>>> On
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of Kitty
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:49 PM
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> I really would love to see it, almost went to the first
> >> showing
> >>>
> >>>>> today
> >>>
> >>>>>> at
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> 11:55.  But I reluctantly decided I couldn't spend the $10
> > it
> >>>
> >>>> would
> >>>
> >>>>>> cost
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> me
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> on a movie.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> I was thrilled to read, "When Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in New
> >> York
> >>>
> >>>> on
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Wednesday, it broke box-office records, beating out even Men
> >> in
> >>>
> >>>>> Black
> >>>
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> wall-to-wall sold-out shows"
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kitty
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: <Zemuly@aol.com>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:22 PM
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] Farenheit 911
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was
> >>>
> >>>> awesome!
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Everyone
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> should make an effort to see it.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> zem
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
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