Re: Indiana wants me...

Is the picture on your web site?
Cathy
On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 12:59 PM, David Franzman wrote:

The home of Dan Quayle? Not in our lifetime! By the way, did I ever tell
you folks that one of the varieties of Hibiscus that I have is a really
beautiful purple and is named Marilyn Quayle? It's from a hybridizer in
Florida. I once asked him how I was supposed to sell M.Q. in Marin County,
home of the hot tubs, wealthy liberals and young men who fight with the
Taliban? He just laughed.

David Franzman
A Touch of the Tropics
www.atouchofthetropics.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie


Well, we can hope. But if the Indiana electoral college votes for
president
EVER went to the man for whom I voted, it would be a first.

Kitty

----- Original Message -----
From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie


I don't know Kitty. I tell the Bushophiles around here, if your boy
doesn't get us the H outta Iraq before November, I think he's toast.
People are FED up.


Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Kitty
Sent: 6/29/2004 9:10:33 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie

NOW THAT IS SCARY! My God people do your civic duty, study the

issues and vote.



What is scary (and extremely upsetting) to me is knowing that my vote
this

November will go to Nimrod and Ripoff due to the antiquated electoral

college. My only satisfaction is looking at the popular vote, which
of

course counted for nothing last time around, but still, I will have
done
my

civic duty.



Kitty



----- Original Message -----

From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:19 PM

Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics/Bonnie





Bonnie, it's disturbing! Politics is the give and take of ideas not

dogma.

Certainly my views have shifted after hearing a well presented case
and as

I

age my beliefs blend and mellow. Frankly, it's the extremes that
irritate

me on both sides. Whoever doesn't agree with them are unthinking,
godless

and unAmerican. I hate that!



I believe the media has much to do with that. Instead of thoughtful

discussion they have to get into these loud, bashing arguments
calling

each

other names. Just part of the dumbing down of America. "What
should
we

watch tonight honey the Worlds Wrestling Federation or the Riley
Report?"

Pretty pathetic!



One last thing since I'm on a roll: If 40% are rock solid on one
side
or

the other and only 6% are undecided and with only 50% of those
elegable to

vote actually doing so then roughly 26% of the electorate dictate to
the

rest of the country the direction we will follow for at least the
next

four

years. NOW THAT IS SCARY! My God people do your civic duty, study
the

issues and vote.



David Franzman

A Touch of the Tropics

www.atouchofthetropics.net

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:36 PM

Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics





I agree that there seems to be growing intolerance for differing
ideas

and

that seems to be supported by some of the political analysis
groups.

Seems

that around 40% of the voters are stuck on each side with little

movement

back and forth no matter what the news or issues. Both parties
target

the

true 6% undecided...now THAT is scary for a democracy. (Jesse,
are
you

truly in that 6%?)



Husband and I went to see Fahrenheit 911 this afternoon...very

interesting...biased but definitely thought provoking. I had
heard

about

some of the Saudi connections on a talk show a month back...no one
knew

what the caller was talking about...there is also a book on this
issue

in

addition to Moore's take.



Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN









[Original Message]

From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Date: 06/28/2004 1:51:50 PM

Subject: Re: [CHAT] Politics



Let me add something to this. Bonnie I agree with you that
politics

is

a

difficult subject in a gardening group. I enjoy it because I
enjoy

politics

and the discussion of ideas. I don't add too much to it though

because

I

recognize that there are different ideas out there and not
everybody

likes

debates.



However, none of us had the tag "Re-Elect Nimrod and Ripoff for

President"

until Liz did which was on her first message she sent to the
group.

Perhaps

what she doesn't like is the fact that many of us don't agree
with
her

position instead of the content and/or subject. You see I find
a

growing

lack of respect for differing views in this country from both
the

right

and

left but I'm thoroughly sick of those who profess to be
conservative

calling

all of us in the middle or slightly left of center as lefties,

liberals

or

commies and unAmerican to boot.



Liz, if you didn't like politics mixed into the garden soil then
why

did

your initial message have the Re-elect message at the bottom?
Go
and

see

the movie! Stretch your mind. Keep an open mind and try and
see
what

the

other side sees sometimes. It may not change your mind but it
might

give

you a different perspective.



David Franzman

A Touch of the Tropics

www.atouchofthetropics.net

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:37 PM

Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911





Bonnie, Liz, and All -

Here is the original posting:

"I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was
awesome!

Everyone

should make an effort to see it."

The responses were short items about ticket prices, distances
to

theatres,

plans to see it, and acquisition news.

There was no mention of "stupidity" in regard to opposing
views.
In

fact,

no opposing views were voiced. I don't see any harm in
someone

suggesting

a

movie to the group.

In fact, I fully intend to see Two Brothers when it gets to a

theatre

close

to me. I hope the dog-lovers out there aren't offended by my
saying

so.



Kitty





----- Original Message -----

From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 10:42 PM

Subject: RE: [CHAT] Fahrenheit 911





Liz, not all of us are left in more than our handedness. It
does

appear

that those with left political leanings are more vocal at
this

point

than

those of us in the middle or leaning a little more right

politically.

I

am

not a fan of political name calling and bashing either,
regardless

of

party.

I do think that while there is freedom of speech, courtesy
would

dictate

that the political discussions should be done privately
rather

than

in

our

normally friendly little garden chat group.



Keeping it in this forum does make those of us with a
different

viewpoint

feel as though we are being told we are "stupid" for seeing

another

side

of

things by the tone of recent discussions. I don't carry on
about

Kerry,

or

Kennedy (only to name a few) or the things I find so
distasteful

on

the

left side, because I consider you all as friends and as

individuals

capable

of having independent ideas and I wouldn't want to make you
think

I

didn't

hold you in high esteem even though I disagree with much of
what

I've

heard

politically on this list lately.



I do love all of you out there, regardless of your politics,
but I

too

am

tiring of the one-sided nature of the political discussions
as
of

late.

Could we all get back to more "friendly" and less political

topics?

Even

topics regarding gardening, the ecology, natural resources
and

bills

associated with that would be O.K. if it were couched as
something

for

all

to consider rather than laying blame and/or pointing fingers
to

this

individual or party as if everything you read or hear in the
press

were

fact. There are two sides to every story. And while we

finger-point

to

some unnamed evil, remember that our society is what WE make
of it

and

if

we

wanted only one view, we could relax and let someone become

dictator.



O.K., I'm off my soapbox.



Blessings,

Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)



-----Original Message-----

From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[o*@hort.net]

On

Behalf

Of Elizabeth Gessler

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:43 PM

To: gardenchat@hort.net

Subject: RE: [CHAT] Farenheit 911



Can someone please sned me the instructions to unsubscribe
from

this

list.

I

wasn't aware that this was a politic list with obvious very
left

leanings.

Liz in PA



Re-elect Bush-Cheney in 2004





-----Original Message-----

From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[o*@hort.net]

On

Behalf

Of Kitty

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:49 PM

To: gardenchat@hort.net

Subject: Re: [CHAT] Farenheit 911



I really would love to see it, almost went to the first
showing

today

at

11:55. But I reluctantly decided I couldn't spend the $10
it

would

cost

me

on a movie.

I was thrilled to read, "When Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in New
York

on

Wednesday, it broke box-office records, beating out even Men
in

Black

with

wall-to-wall sold-out shows"



Kitty



----- Original Message -----

From: <Zemuly@aol.com>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:22 PM

Subject: [CHAT] Farenheit 911





I saw this movie today, and all I can say is that it was

awesome!

Everyone

should make an effort to see it.

zem






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