Re: critters > fence ideas

might charge the batteries up on the camera too... you know, a picture
tells a thousand words while they are tillting the posts......


Donna


----- Original Message ----
From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas


Judy, you are an angel!
And the rest of you who suggested the cops.  I decided that since the 
liaison officer wasn't responding, I should call the desk seargent.  He sent 
an officer out within a half hour.  As I was showing him the damage and the 
proof it was my property, the kids showed up.  He told them they weren't to 
step foot on that area again, that I had documentation of ownership and they 
weren't to bother any fence I erected there.  and that if they did, they 
were going to the juvenile detention center.  He gave me a report number and 
said he'd check by on the dates I am putting up the fence.
So now I have some "history"
Thanks for the suggestion!

Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judy Browning" <judylee@lewiston.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas


> Oh, that is sweet. Doesn't it feel great to get more than you expect.
> You might let the local law enforcement know about the prior 
> trespassing/vandalism if you haven't already. Then if they destroy or 
> damage this one they have some history.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>
>
>> Update!
>> They surveyed the lot today and it turns out that my neighbor placed his 
>> fence within about an inch of the property line, so the whole 80 inch 
>> wide area between our fences that the kids are abusing is ALL MINE!  One 
>> utility pole is completely on my property while the other is on the line. 
>> I was trying to figure how to work my fence in alongside his 
>> when...DUH...I don't need a 64 foot fence.  All I have to do is put an 80 
>> inch wide fence at both ends and I'm done.  4 posts instead of 10. 2 
>> panels instead of 8.  There's still the cost of the post-hole digger. $20 
>> for a truck to get the materials home and $25 for the permit (and of 
>> course the $225 for the survey) but it is coming out more reasonably than 
>> I expected and won't take the whole weekend to build!
>>
>> Kitty
>> neIN, Zone 5
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Zemuly Sanders" <zemuly@comcast.net>
>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>>
>>
>>> How lovely to live next to the "Planned Parenthood Poster Kids."  I can 
>>> soooo identify with you.
>>> zem
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jesse Bell" <silverhawk@flash.net>
>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wow Kitty...that's one of the MANY reasons we live out in the country.
>>>> You don't have to deal with neighbors like that. And kids will be kids,
>>>> but parents need to teach them manners and boundaries as well. When I
>>>> lived in K.C. I had a sidewalk in front of my house and then a green
>>>> area of grass beyond that..until it hit the curb to the street. The
>>>> sidewalk and that green strip supposedly was city property, but it was
>>>> still your yard. People would walk their dogs, let them poop there, and
>>>> continue walking. They never scooped up their animal's mess. Some of
>>>> these dogs were BIG - a great dane, standard poodle, lab and airedale
>>>> terrier. I had to mow that area and keep it nice and it just made me so
>>>> MAD when they did that. I put a little sign out there that said "please
>>>> scoop if your dog poops", they just knocked it down. Very frustrating.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need a James Bond type fence. One that will lower to the ground for
>>>> the utility company, and one that will shoot water at the neighbors 
>>>> kids
>>>> when they walk by!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>  So sorry about the babies Jesse.
>>>> as for critters....
>>>> My property had a chain link fence across the back west end that was 
>>>> barely
>>>> noticeable until several yrs ago the new neighbor limbed up all the 
>>>> huge
>>>> pines I enjoyed as a 'borrowed' backdrop and installed a privacy fence. 
>>>> The
>>>> 2 fences, about 7ft apart due to easement allowance looked dumb so I 
>>>> took
>>>> mine down. Kids from the east started cutting through my garden to take 
>>>> the
>>>> easement behind the houses as a shortcut to the school bus stop. So I
>>>> refenced, leaving a gap below for the cats to come and go.
>>>>
>>>> Now the kids are coming through from the north and south traveling 
>>>> through
>>>> the back of my yard as a shortcut. they drop trash, have dug holes, 
>>>> buried
>>>> something, have killed the groundcover, and congregate back there. I 
>>>> don't
>>>> want them there; I want my privacy. I fenced off both ends and they 
>>>> tore it
>>>> down and brought their moms over, one of which who puffed away 
>>>> profusely on
>>>> her cigarette, stinking up my yard while yelling at me that the "path"
>>>> belongs to the city. the other mom yelled at me for a good 1/2 hr that 
>>>> her
>>>> kids have every right to walk through there, calling me a b**** at 
>>>> least a
>>>> dozen times. She also made note that I have no property rights because 
>>>> I
>>>> don't have a "partner" and I am "old" and that my yard is an overgrown 
>>>> trash
>>>> heap. And she says that, oh no, she would never sue me if her kid got 
>>>> hurt
>>>> back there.
>>>>
>>>> So, I have to spend more money. The surveyor should be here within a 
>>>> week
>>>> to mark the exact line and a privacy fence is going up. I showed my old
>>>> survey to the city planning office and she said I can build a fence up 
>>>> to
>>>> 7ft high on the property line. Since the neighbor has his very close to 
>>>> the
>>>> line it may pose a hindrence for the utility access. So depending on 
>>>> how
>>>> close he is to the line I may ask if I can simply tie in to his fence, 
>>>> but
>>>> apparetnly he likes the kids and isn't a fan of mine so I doubt he'll 
>>>> agree.
>>>> If not and I build a fence, I'd like to engineer something sectionally
>>>> removable to aid the utility people.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Geez critters are a lot easier to deal with. They came through again as 
>>>> I
>>>> was writing this.
>>>>
>>>> Kitty
>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jesse Bell"
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:55 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Re: critters
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. I'm such a sucker for critters. I love them all. (except 
>>>>> snakes
>>>>> and spiders, but they aren't really critters)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynda Young wrote:
>>>>> Oh, Jesse - I'm so sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynda
>>>>> Zone 7 - West TN
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jesse Bell
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:29 AM
>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] Re: critters
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know!!! But it's not over yet.
>>>>> My baby turkeys didn't make it. They are so hard to raise when they 
>>>>> are
>>>>> that little and have been under stress. I did everything I could
>>>>> do.....sadness abounds today.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bonnie Holmes wrote:
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>>> From: Jesse Bell
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> Date: 6/20/2007 4:56:51 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Crab watch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't had a moose or a hedgehog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pam Evans wrote:
>>>>>> oh what a riot and I would love to see a picture! Jesse dear, is 
>>>>>> there
>>>>> any
>>>>>> critter smaller than an elephant and larger than a fire ant that you
>>>>> haven't
>>>>>> had as a pet at some time in your life? You're so funny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/20/07, Jesse Bell wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > That's right! I forgot about that. I had several shells in my 
>>>>>> > container
>>>>>> > and it seemed like they played "musical shells" a lot. They would 
>>>>>> > try
>>>>>> > on
>>>>>> > shells until they found just the right one. And when it left it's 
>>>>>> > old
>>>>>> > shell, one of the other ones would go try his shell on for size. 
>>>>>> > Too
>>>>>> > funny.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > james singer wrote:
>>>>>> > Well, if it hasn't moved by morning, I'll go buy it a couple of
>>>>>> > additional options. Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Andrea Hodges wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > We used to keep a variety of empty whelk shells available for 
>>>>>> > > them
>>>>>> > > (had them in a touch tank at the Museum in Charleston) and they 
>>>>>> > > would
>>>>>> > > run around checking each on out before they chose. You might need 
>>>>>> > > a
>>>>>> > > couple more shells Jim. Those little guys can be picky sometimes!
>>>>>> > > A
>>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer"
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > To: "Garden Chat"
>>>>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:22 AM
>>>>>> > > Subject: [CHAT] Crab watch
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >> Ms Fatma is baby-sitting a hermit crab this summer. A week or so 
>>>>>> > >> ago
>>>>>> > >> we noticed that it seemed a bit large for its shell, so we 
>>>>>> > >> purchased
>>>>>> > >> a larger one at a local souvenir shop. For the first few days, 
>>>>>> > >> it
>>>>>> > >> dragged the new shell all around its tank--into its water bowl, 
>>>>>> > >> into
>>>>>> > >> its food bowl--like it was introducing a new chum to the
>>>>>> > >> neighborhood. Well, last night, it parked next to the new shell,
>>>>>> > >> opening to opening. We think, maybe, it's going to move into the
>>>>>> > >> larger shell today or tonight.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Island Jim
>>>>>> > >> Southwest Florida
>>>>>> > >> 27.1 N, 82.4 W
>>>>>> > >> Hardiness Zone 10
>>>>>> > >> Heat Zone 10
>>>>>> > >> Sunset Zone 25
>>>>>> > >> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
>>>>>> > >> Maximum 100 F [38 C]
>>>>>> > >>
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>>>>>> > Island Jim
>>>>>> > Southwest Florida
>>>>>> > 27.1 N, 82.4 W
>>>>>> > Hardiness Zone 10
>>>>>> > Heat Zone 10
>>>>>> > Sunset Zone 25
>>>>>> > Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
>>>>>> > Maximum 100 F [38 C]
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>>>>>> > Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>>> > I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>>> > and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing 
>>>>>> > that.
>>>>>> > That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Pam Evans
>>>>>> Kemp TX
>>>>>> zone 8A
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>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that.
>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>
>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that.
>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>
>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that.
>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
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>>>> Jesse R. Bell
>>>>
>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that.
>>>> That's what's insane about it."  -  John Lennon
>>>>
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