RE: critters > fence ideas

Good for you on being persistent with the police and the survey stuff.
Sometimes when it seems just too frustrating, being able to vent gives
you a breather and the determination to keep going, right? So far so
good!


Cyndi


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
Behalf Of Kitty
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:34 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas

He made a point of getting theoldest boy's name and I did tell him where
I believed he lived.  I suppose this thread is getting old but I will
keep you guys posted as to what happens after the fence goes up.
Thanks for listening to my woes.

Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Browning" <judylee@lewiston.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas


> Marvelous. Nothing like a good helpful cop. It'd be nice if he had a
chat 
> with the parents too. If they give you any grief about this, I think
your 
> emails on this subject would count as documentation too.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>
>
>> Judy, you are an angel!
>> And the rest of you who suggested the cops.  I decided that since the

>> liaison officer wasn't responding, I should call the desk seargent.
He 
>> sent an officer out within a half hour.  As I was showing him the
damage 
>> and the proof it was my property, the kids showed up.  He told them
they 
>> weren't to step foot on that area again, that I had documentation of 
>> ownership and they weren't to bother any fence I erected there.  and
that 
>> if they did, they were going to the juvenile detention center.  He
gave 
>> me a report number and said he'd check by on the dates I am putting
up 
>> the fence.
>> So now I have some "history"
>> Thanks for the suggestion!
>>
>> Kitty
>> neIN, Zone 5
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Judy Browning" <judylee@lewiston.com>
>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>>
>>
>>> Oh, that is sweet. Doesn't it feel great to get more than you
expect.
>>> You might let the local law enforcement know about the prior 
>>> trespassing/vandalism if you haven't already. Then if they destroy
or 
>>> damage this one they have some history.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>>>
>>>
>>>> Update!
>>>> They surveyed the lot today and it turns out that my neighbor
placed 
>>>> his fence within about an inch of the property line, so the whole
80 
>>>> inch wide area between our fences that the kids are abusing is ALL 
>>>> MINE!  One utility pole is completely on my property while the
other is 
>>>> on the line. I was trying to figure how to work my fence in
alongside 
>>>> his when...DUH...I don't need a 64 foot fence.  All I have to do is
put 
>>>> an 80 inch wide fence at both ends and I'm done.  4 posts instead
of 
>>>> 10. 2 panels instead of 8.  There's still the cost of the post-hole

>>>> digger. $20 for a truck to get the materials home and $25 for the 
>>>> permit (and of course the $225 for the survey) but it is coming out

>>>> more reasonably than I expected and won't take the whole weekend to

>>>> build!
>>>>
>>>> Kitty
>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Zemuly Sanders" <zemuly@comcast.net>
>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How lovely to live next to the "Planned Parenthood Poster Kids."
I 
>>>>> can soooo identify with you.
>>>>> zem
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Jesse Bell" <silverhawk@flash.net>
>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:32 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT]critters > fence ideas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow Kitty...that's one of the MANY reasons we live out in the 
>>>>>> country.
>>>>>> You don't have to deal with neighbors like that. And kids will be

>>>>>> kids,
>>>>>> but parents need to teach them manners and boundaries as well.
When I
>>>>>> lived in K.C. I had a sidewalk in front of my house and then a
green
>>>>>> area of grass beyond that..until it hit the curb to the street.
The
>>>>>> sidewalk and that green strip supposedly was city property, but
it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> still your yard. People would walk their dogs, let them poop
there, 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> continue walking. They never scooped up their animal's mess. Some
of
>>>>>> these dogs were BIG - a great dane, standard poodle, lab and
airedale
>>>>>> terrier. I had to mow that area and keep it nice and it just made
me 
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> MAD when they did that. I put a little sign out there that said 
>>>>>> "please
>>>>>> scoop if your dog poops", they just knocked it down. Very 
>>>>>> frustrating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need a James Bond type fence. One that will lower to the
ground 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the utility company, and one that will shoot water at the
neighbors 
>>>>>> kids
>>>>>> when they walk by!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>  So sorry about the babies Jesse.
>>>>>> as for critters....
>>>>>> My property had a chain link fence across the back west end that
was 
>>>>>> barely
>>>>>> noticeable until several yrs ago the new neighbor limbed up all
the 
>>>>>> huge
>>>>>> pines I enjoyed as a 'borrowed' backdrop and installed a privacy 
>>>>>> fence. The
>>>>>> 2 fences, about 7ft apart due to easement allowance looked dumb
so I 
>>>>>> took
>>>>>> mine down. Kids from the east started cutting through my garden
to 
>>>>>> take the
>>>>>> easement behind the houses as a shortcut to the school bus stop.
So I
>>>>>> refenced, leaving a gap below for the cats to come and go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now the kids are coming through from the north and south
traveling 
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> the back of my yard as a shortcut. they drop trash, have dug
holes, 
>>>>>> buried
>>>>>> something, have killed the groundcover, and congregate back
there. I 
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> want them there; I want my privacy. I fenced off both ends and
they 
>>>>>> tore it
>>>>>> down and brought their moms over, one of which who puffed away 
>>>>>> profusely on
>>>>>> her cigarette, stinking up my yard while yelling at me that the 
>>>>>> "path"
>>>>>> belongs to the city. the other mom yelled at me for a good 1/2 hr

>>>>>> that her
>>>>>> kids have every right to walk through there, calling me a b****
at 
>>>>>> least a
>>>>>> dozen times. She also made note that I have no property rights 
>>>>>> because I
>>>>>> don't have a "partner" and I am "old" and that my yard is an 
>>>>>> overgrown trash
>>>>>> heap. And she says that, oh no, she would never sue me if her kid
got 
>>>>>> hurt
>>>>>> back there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I have to spend more money. The surveyor should be here
within a 
>>>>>> week
>>>>>> to mark the exact line and a privacy fence is going up. I showed
my 
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> survey to the city planning office and she said I can build a
fence 
>>>>>> up to
>>>>>> 7ft high on the property line. Since the neighbor has his very
close 
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> line it may pose a hindrence for the utility access. So depending
on 
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> close he is to the line I may ask if I can simply tie in to his 
>>>>>> fence, but
>>>>>> apparetnly he likes the kids and isn't a fan of mine so I doubt
he'll 
>>>>>> agree.
>>>>>> If not and I build a fence, I'd like to engineer something 
>>>>>> sectionally
>>>>>> removable to aid the utility people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geez critters are a lot easier to deal with. They came through
again 
>>>>>> as I
>>>>>> was writing this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kitty
>>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Jesse Bell"
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Re: critters
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks. I'm such a sucker for critters. I love them all. (except

>>>>>>> snakes
>>>>>>> and spiders, but they aren't really critters)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynda Young wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh, Jesse - I'm so sorry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynda
>>>>>>> Zone 7 - West TN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[o*@hort.net] 
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Jesse Bell
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:29 AM
>>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] Re: critters
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know!!! But it's not over yet.
>>>>>>> My baby turkeys didn't make it. They are so hard to raise when
they 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> that little and have been under stress. I did everything I could
>>>>>>> do.....sadness abounds today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bonnie Holmes wrote:
>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>>>>> From: Jesse Bell
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> Date: 6/20/2007 4:56:51 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Crab watch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't had a moose or a hedgehog.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pam Evans wrote:
>>>>>>>> oh what a riot and I would love to see a picture! Jesse dear,
is 
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> critter smaller than an elephant and larger than a fire ant
that 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>> had as a pet at some time in your life? You're so funny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/20/07, Jesse Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > That's right! I forgot about that. I had several shells in my

>>>>>>>> > container
>>>>>>>> > and it seemed like they played "musical shells" a lot. They
would 
>>>>>>>> > try
>>>>>>>> > on
>>>>>>>> > shells until they found just the right one. And when it left
it's 
>>>>>>>> > old
>>>>>>>> > shell, one of the other ones would go try his shell on for
size. 
>>>>>>>> > Too
>>>>>>>> > funny.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > james singer wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Well, if it hasn't moved by morning, I'll go buy it a couple
of
>>>>>>>> > additional options. Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Andrea Hodges wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > > We used to keep a variety of empty whelk shells available
for 
>>>>>>>> > > them
>>>>>>>> > > (had them in a touch tank at the Museum in Charleston) and
they 
>>>>>>>> > > would
>>>>>>>> > > run around checking each on out before they chose. You
might 
>>>>>>>> > > need a
>>>>>>>> > > couple more shells Jim. Those little guys can be picky 
>>>>>>>> > > sometimes!
>>>>>>>> > > A
>>>>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer"
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > To: "Garden Chat"
>>>>>>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 8:22 AM
>>>>>>>> > > Subject: [CHAT] Crab watch
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > >> Ms Fatma is baby-sitting a hermit crab this summer. A week
or 
>>>>>>>> > >> so ago
>>>>>>>> > >> we noticed that it seemed a bit large for its shell, so we

>>>>>>>> > >> purchased
>>>>>>>> > >> a larger one at a local souvenir shop. For the first few
days, 
>>>>>>>> > >> it
>>>>>>>> > >> dragged the new shell all around its tank--into its water 
>>>>>>>> > >> bowl, into
>>>>>>>> > >> its food bowl--like it was introducing a new chum to the
>>>>>>>> > >> neighborhood. Well, last night, it parked next to the new 
>>>>>>>> > >> shell,
>>>>>>>> > >> opening to opening. We think, maybe, it's going to move
into 
>>>>>>>> > >> the
>>>>>>>> > >> larger shell today or tonight.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Island Jim
>>>>>>>> > >> Southwest Florida
>>>>>>>> > >> 27.1 N, 82.4 W
>>>>>>>> > >> Hardiness Zone 10
>>>>>>>> > >> Heat Zone 10
>>>>>>>> > >> Sunset Zone 25
>>>>>>>> > >> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
>>>>>>>> > >> Maximum 100 F [38 C]
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >>
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>>>>>>>> > Southwest Florida
>>>>>>>> > 27.1 N, 82.4 W
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>>>>>>>> > Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>>>>> > I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>>>>> > and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for
expressing 
>>>>>>>> > that.
>>>>>>>> > That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Pam Evans
>>>>>>>> Kemp TX
>>>>>>>> zone 8A
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing 
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
that.
>>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
that.
>>>>>>> That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jesse R. Bell
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives.
>>>>>> I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends
>>>>>> and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing
that.
>>>>>> That's what's insane about it."  -  John Lennon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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