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Re: New USDA Zone Map

Just looked at the map Kitty sent, and I'm right in the middle of zone 8
now instead of its upper fringes. So that sounds about right considering
what I've experienced w/ my plants here. Go w/ your instincts every time
folks. I plan to keep doing just that!

thanks again Kitty!


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: cathy carpenter <cathyc@rnet.com>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Tue, 27 May 2003 21:56:37 -0500

>Right on, Gene! The zones are reasonable guidelines for the casual 
>gardener, but I'll go with my experience and instincts in a heartbeat! 
>It's fun to push the envelope sometimes, but my pocketbook is not up to 
>the risk for more than one or two plants.
>On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 07:20 AM, Gene Bush wrote:
>>  Two weeks of below normal temps may not change the
>> statistics much, but it sure plays hell with the plants. Especially if 
>> you
>> had a bunch of stuff based sole upon the new map. I will stick with my
>> personal experiences where I garden.
>>        These maps are just a jumping off point... no more. Averages 
>> are numbers
>> games. If the odds are 1000 to 1 that you will get a disease that will 
>> kill
>> you and you are the one that catches it and dies you are still very 
>> much
>> dead. Small consolation that the other 999 lived. Very small.
>> Gene E. Bush
>> Munchkin Nursery & Gardens, llc
>> www.munchkinnursery.com
>> genebush@munchkinnursery.com
>> Zone 6/5  Southern Indiana
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> I've been looking over the new USDA Zone map and find that I have been
>>> definitely moved into Zone 6 - though you couldn't prove it by this 
>>> past
>>> winter.  Gene and I have had a friendly debate going on for some time
>>> about the previous zone listings.  I'm in northeastern IN and he's in
>>> southern IN - not all that far from the Ohio River. The new map 
>>> appears
>>> to show him in 6, but the area immediately surrounding the river is 
>>> 7, so
>>> he may be 6 or 7, can't really tell.   The previous zone map (as 
>>> viewed
>>> in back of AHS A-Z) shows Indiana as zone 5 down to below 
>>> Indianapolis,
>>> then Zone 6 clearly through the rest of the state, through KY and into
>>> TN.  EXCEPT it also showed a an eliptical dip of Z5 in the central 
>>> part
>>> of the Zone part 6 portion of IN.  I hadn't noticed that b4 and 
>>> perhaps
>>> that included Depauw, so he would have been Z5 then. Anyway, the news 
>>> is,
>>> most of IN is now 6, a narrow ribbon at the bottom is 7, and a big 
>>> chunk
>>> on the nw side of the stat is still Z5.  I still won't bet the farm 
>>> on Z6
>>> plants surviving here, but may possibly take a few risks in future.  
>>> Has
>>> anyone else experienced a zone change? KittyZone 6, northeastern IN
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Pam Evans
Kemp TX/zone 8A


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