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Re: todays experience

Worked for Earl May for all of two weeks a couple years ago...you
wouldn't believe how little the "trained professionals" actually know
about plants and the bad advice they give people. I was constantly being
reprimanded for telling people to call the hort.extension line to verify
the solutions to the problems they had asked about, because more often
than not, the salespeople were "pushing" a particular product...

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Sat 05/08, Richard T. Apking < richa@midlands.net > wrote:
From: Richard T. Apking [mailto: richa@midlands.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:13:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays experience

Hi Kitty,<br><br>Gotta give you an amen on that. Our local, supposedly
professional, Earl<br>May just pushes the H--- out of prennials that
aren't hardy for this area,<br>and if they are slightly overstocked on
some of those "white elephants"<br>their salespeople must be instructed
to unload them by whatever means they<br>can. Not real good, especially
for the novice gardener that is going there<br>hopefully for some advice
as well as plants that will live in their<br>landscape.<br>-----
Original Message ----- <br>From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>To:
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:37 PM<br>Subject:
Re: [CHAT] todays experience<br><br><br>> Melody - I really didn't
intend to come across as a plant snob, though I<br>> suppose I may be to
some extent. I have Purple Coneflowers and and Tawny<br>> Daylilies
because I love their simple charm. But I kicked the Shasta<br>> Daisies
out long ago because they're a royal pain.<br>><br>> I understand

carrying such items, actually I'm happy they don't<br>> carry anything
rare, as it would be a shame to see them gasping their last<br>> breaths
when no one waters them. But it would be nice for "bonafide"<br>>
nurseries to offer something unusual.<br>><br>> There is a huge world of
plants to be expereinced and I hope to God we'll<br>> never be reduced
to some "white list". Personally, I don't care if there<br>> are times
when nothing is blooming. The week or two of that
Glaucidium<br>will<br>> be enough to carry me through. I'm a collector,
not a designer, so I'll<br>> keep hoping to find something interesting,
breathtaking.<br>><br>> I don't argue the need for tried and true, but
to tell the truth, there is<br>> more to try.<br>><br>> Kitty<br>><br>>
----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Melody"
<mhobertm@excite.com><br>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Friday,
May 07, 2004 8:15 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays
experience<br>><br>><br>> > Now, as someone who

se gardens are full of very ordinary<br>> > plants...daylilies, peonies,
phlox, etc. and whatever else I can pick up<br>> > at Walmart, here is
another point of view...<br>> ><br>> > Perhaps one of the reasons that
places like Walmart and Lowes, etc.<br>> > carry so much of this very
ordinary stuff is because of supply and<br>> > demand...They order what
they know they can sell and obviously what many<br>> > people like
myself want is just ordinary, tried and true standards. I<br>> > have a
great love of gardening but am I going to go out of my way to<br>> >
look for the unusual to put in my garden? Probably not and if so,
then<br>> > only very, very rarely. I like the looks of a garden that is
filled with<br>> > these tried and true friends, so I guess places like
the big box stores<br>> > market themselves to people like me. Even when
I do go out of my way to<br>> > go to a local grower, I still look for
the things I am familiar with and<br>> > that are inexpensive and aff

ordable. No way am I going to pay $30 for a<br>> > plant that I don't
even know will survive. Matter of fact, I have a hard<br>> > time
spending more than about $10 on any one plant, unless it's a rose.<br>>
> Also, please notice that I said that in order to go to one of the
local<br>> > nurseries, I would have to go out of my way to get there.
Whereas, I am<br>> > at Walmart at least once a week, usually more,
throughout the entire<br>> > growing season...convenience could be my
middle name! :-)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>>
><br>> > "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the
mysterious."<br>> > --Albert Einstein<br>> ><br>> > --- On Fri 05/07,
james singer < jsinger@igc.org > wrote:<br>> > From: james singer
[mailto: jsinger@igc.org]<br>> > To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> > Date:
Fri, 7 May 2004 17:54:59 -0400<br>> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays
experience<br>> ><br>> > I agree 110%, Kitty. But it's the vision thing.
And most of them don't<br>> >

<br>have it. I've always suspected that if the normally inept local<br>>
> <br>merchants would quit whining about Wal-Mart and start offeri

ng value<br>> > <br>[instead of same-old, same-old], they could very
well whup the<br>> > Arkansas <br>titan. If you read the NYTimes or the
WSJ, you know that<br>> > Wal-Mart's <br>plan in invade real cities [as
opposed to jerk-water<br>> > towns like my <br>neighborhood] has stalled
again. They are frightened<br>> > of competition <br>from quality
merchandise. There are lessons there.<br>> > Mom and pop need to
<br>wake up.<br><br>On Friday, May 7, 2004, at 05:42<br>> > PM, Kitty
wrote:<br><br>&gt; Jim, you're right. But a smart nursery<br>> > buyer
could spend a little time<br>&gt; looking for more options. The<br>> >
min order qty can be overcome. Green <br>&gt; Mtn<br>&gt;
Transplants<br>> > offers the ordinary and a few extraordinaries that
you can <br>&gt;<br>> > mix<br>&gt; and match all you want at no
additional cost. I'm sure there<br>> > are <br>&gt; others out<br>&gt;
there. Doesn't Barry Glick - Sunshine<br>> > Farms - do
this?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Also, I'm aware of

a couple of small<br>> > nursery owners who split orders. <br>&gt;
They<br>&gt; are on opposite<br>> > sides of town, so generally aren't
competing for <br>&gt;<br>> > customers.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I think
sometimes it can be the buyers'<br>> > fault. No imagination. But
<br>&gt; there's<br>&gt; a caveat to sticking<br>> > with the tried and
true. Small nurseries can't <br>&gt; compete<br>&gt;<br>> > with the big
box stores on the same merchandise. Why pay $15 for<br>> > a<br>&gt;
Rudbeckia that you can pick up for $3.99 at K-Mart?<br>> > Specializing
in <br>&gt; the<br>&gt; right area, creating your niche, is<br>> > what
will keep the little guy in<br>&gt; business. Your specialty might<br>>
> be the kind of plants, or the service <br>&gt; or<br>&gt; even
the<br>> > ambience. But it can't be the price.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>> >
Kitty<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt;
From:<br>> > &quot;james singer&quot; &lt;jsinger@igc.org&gt;<br>&gt;
To:<br>> > &lt;g

ardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Friday<br>> ><br>> > , May 07, 2004
3:52 PM<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays<br>> >
experience<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I think Lynda's got it
right.<br>> > Tried and true is safe and predictable.<br>&gt;&gt; In
addition, plants<br>> > are perishable and there's the minimum
quantity<br>&gt;&gt; thing that<br>> > make's it iffy to buy on
speculation.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; This<br>> > tendency on the part of
the marketplace to standardize is<br>> > what<br>&gt;&gt; makes
underground markets--plant society sales,<br>> > farmers'
markets,<br>&gt;&gt; garage<br>> >
sales--interesting.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On Friday, May 7, 2004,
at<br>> > 09:19 AM, Lynda Young wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; The
owners I've<br>> > spoken to in this area says it's better business
to<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> > stick with the well-known, comfortable plants
that everyone<br>> > <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; recognizes.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Not
enough space or money<br>> >

to invest a lot in plants that most people<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> >
are<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; not familiar
with.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> > But, isn't that part of the
fun of gardening? Stretching the<br>> > limits<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
and<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; trying something new in the<br>> > hope of finding a
great addition to your<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; plantings.<br>> > Unfortunately,
it seems you can only do that through<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> > mail-order
in most cases. Certainly not everything you get<br>> >
will<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; thrive,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; but when an experiment<br>>
> works it is a real thrill.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> >
Lynda<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Zone 7 - West
Tn<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> > -----Original
Message-----<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; From:<br>> > owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]<br>> > On<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Behalf Of
Donna<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, May<br>> > 06, 2004 9:31
PM<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>&

gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> > Subject: RE: [CHAT] todays<br>> >
experience<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Yeah I
am<br>> > kinda worr

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