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Re: Re: chefs


DF: My greatest fear for Meghan is I'm not sure she has the temperament
to work like that...being an oldest child, she is pretty much used to
being top dog and isn't much of a follower. Thanks for the info. Will
let you know if we have further questions.


Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman < dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:
From: David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:14:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chefs

Melody, the restaurant business is another one of those of the haves
and<br>have nots. If you have noticed the cost of going to lunch has
changed very<br>little in 20 years or so and wages have remained pretty
stagnant as well.<br>The quickest way to the top of the food chain is
through one of the elite<br>(and very expensive) schools such as the
Cordon Bleu in NY or the California<br>Culinary Academy in SF. I'm sure
you have some in the Midwest but these are<br>the cream of the crop. The
students do the assigned work for the prescribed<br>amount of time, a
year and a half I believe, and then do years apprenticing<br>behind top
chefs in the field. Hopefully if the pupil is creative and is<br>willing
to work 10-12 hours a day six days a week they will make a name
for<br>themselves and then break loose and be offered a restaurant that
they will<br>then be top dog.<br><br>The MOST important quality that
chefs are looking for is someone WHO DOES<br>WHAT THEY ARE TOLD WITHOUT
QUESTION. No going off on their own tangent<br>because they thought it
was an improvement, no thinking for themselves, none<br>of that. Do the
same thing over and over and over exactly the same way.<br>Afterall as a
customer when you go to a restaurant and order something you<br>don't
want it to look or taste different each time you go in.<br><br>The other
way to being a chef (though this will not get the top jobs in
the<br>country but should provide a descent living and is the avenue
that I took)<br>is to work under good chefs and getting enough
experience to be offered a<br>position as chef. The key here is to work
under enough different people to<br>have a wide range of experience in
many different arenas of the culinary<br>field. Don't be fooled by
working under one or two different people that<br>you have well balanced
knowledge. There are so many shortcuts these days<br>that a person you
think has his act together is really just a shoemaker<br>(euphemism for
a hacker or bad cook). Knowing that I didn't want to do this<br>for a li

ving I didn't peruse this as much as I could but I worked
under<br>French, Italian, Danish, Chinese and Japanese chefs. As I said
it takes<br>years and many of those years you're making 8 bucks an hour.
Don't be so<br>loyal to one individual that you are unwilling to move on
to better<br>yourself. That is really the key to this avenue.<br><br>I
guess that is enough. Melody if you or your daughter has other
question<br>email me off the list and I'll be happy to try and help. One
other very<br>important note: I've seen many people who were great cooks
at home and<br>thought they wanted to get into that business. Then they
find out the<br>reality. It ain't the same thing and not even close. I
used to hate having<br>some graduates of the academies come in and try
and hang. For them it was<br>absolute culture shock. One guy literally
went yelling off the line one<br>Friday night never to be seen
again.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch of the
Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message -----
<br>From: &quot;Melody&quot; &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;<br>To:
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:31
PM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br><br><br>&gt; I thought I
remembered something about being a chef...which brings me to<br>&gt; my
real question. My oldest daughter, Meghan, thinks she wants to be
a<br>&gt; chef. She cooks like a dream already and I'd like to encourage
her in<br>&gt; this. How exactly, does one go about becoming a chef?
What schooling is<br>&gt; involved? TIA.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &quot;The most beautiful thing we can
experience is the mysterious.&quot;<br>&gt; --Albert
Einstein<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman &lt;
dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt; wrote:<br>&gt; From: David Franzman [mailto:
dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>&gt; To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>&gt; Date: Wed,
19 May 2004 22:46:43 -0700<br>&gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Boy Melody, you should ask Kitty this question

 b
ut, certified<br>&gt; chef,&lt;br&gt;manufacturers rep, degree in
American History minored in<br>&gt; political science.&lt;br&gt;Can you
tell???&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch<br>&gt; of
the Tropics&lt;br&gt;www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;----- Original
Message<br>&gt; ----- &lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Melody&quot;
&lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:<br>&gt;
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
10:36<br>&gt; PM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; DF: Just out of<br>&gt;
curiosity...what did you do for a living before the
hibs.&lt;br&gt;consumed<br>&gt;
you?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Melody, IA (Z
5/4)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &quot;The most beautiful<br>&gt; thing
we can experience is the mysterious.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
--Albert<br>&gt; Einstein&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; --- On Thu 05/20,
David Franzman &lt;<br>&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt;
wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: David Franzman [mailto:<br>&gt;
dfranzma@pacbell.net]&lt;br&gt;&gt; To:
gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 19<br>&gt; May 2004
22:16:47 -0700&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; It's funny Kitty, because
like Eve I'm pretty middle of the road<br>&gt; except&lt;br&gt;&gt;
with&lt;br&gt;two things education and health care. On the other<br>&gt;
side though&lt;br&gt;&gt; I'm a&lt;br&gt;personal responsibility type of
guy. I hate<br>&gt; the victimization&lt;br&gt;&gt; thing that
we&lt;br&gt;have going on in this country.<br>&gt; Typically that's
an&lt;br&gt;&gt; excuse which I can't&lt;br&gt;stand. And if they
pass<br>&gt; anymore laws trying to&lt;br&gt;&gt; protect me from myself
I may&lt;br&gt;just commit<br>&gt; hari kari...or is that&lt;br&gt;&gt;
against the law?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With education you<br>&gt; simply
can't have a democracy&lt;br&gt;&gt; without a well
educated&lt;br&gt;populace.<br>&gt; And of course diverse sources
of&lt;br&gt;&gt; news but that's a<br>&gt; d

ifferent&lt;br&gt;topic. I assure you Kitty that if J.
Paul&lt;br&gt;&gt; Getty's kids<br>&gt; went to
public&lt;br&gt;schools...they would find the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
money.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With<br>&gt; health care I've spent millions
of dollars on&lt;br&gt;&gt; research and I'm<br>&gt;
fairly&lt;br&gt;certain that a germ doesn't stop at gated&lt;br&gt;&gt;
communities.<br>&gt; So, we had better&lt;br&gt;find a way to pay for
that also or not&lt;br&gt;&gt; only<br>&gt; will we have a bunch of
people&lt;br&gt;who can't add past 2 + 2 but&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
they'll be disease carriers as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David
Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch<br>&gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the
Tropics&lt;br&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message&lt;br&gt;&gt;
-----<br>&gt; &lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Kitty&quot;
&lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
7:54&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; AM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I understand<br>&gt;
your&lt;br&gt;&gt; theory, David. And, I'm sorry if my reply
sounded&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; 'heated'. Not so,&lt;br&gt;&gt; just
speaking up.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; However, if your<br>&gt; theory
were to be put into&lt;br&gt;&gt; practice - which it can't be
-&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; there'd be less money to go
around.&lt;br&gt;&gt; I have no idea how many<br>&gt; millions
of&lt;br&gt;kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; are in private schools,&lt;br&gt;&gt; but
if they were<br>&gt; all sent to public schools, the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
system would&lt;br&gt;&gt; collapse. Public<br>&gt; schools are using
the funds from taxes that&lt;br&gt;&gt; pay&lt;br&gt;&gt; for
private<br>&gt; kids on the public kids and still can't make
ends&lt;br&gt;&gt; meet.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Also, one
of the great privleges we as Americans enjoy&lt;br&gt;&gt; is choice.
I<br>&gt; don't&lt;br&gt;&gt; approve of home-schooling, but I do
believe&lt;br&gt;&gt; those<br>&gt; p

ar
ents have the right&lt;br&gt;to&lt;br&gt;&gt; choose that route. I
also&lt;br&gt;&gt; believe<br>&gt; that if you want special schooling
for&lt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; br&gt;&gt; your kids - like<br>&gt;
the nutcases who enroll their kids in nursery&lt;br&gt;&gt;
school&lt;br&gt;while&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; they are still in the womb -
you can make that&lt;br&gt;&gt; choice. To say NO to<br>&gt;
these&lt;br&gt;&gt; choices and to private school simply&lt;br&gt;&gt;
because you think<br>&gt; it could improve&lt;br&gt;&gt; public schools,
goes against the&lt;br&gt;&gt; grain of our<br>&gt; society. It's
socialistic&lt;br&gt;or&lt;br&gt;&gt; maybe even
communistic&lt;br&gt;&gt; - both<br>&gt; systems with good ideals and
properties -&lt;br&gt;that&lt;br&gt;&gt; will not&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
necessarily fix the public school problem. Public
schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; must&lt;br&gt;fix&lt;br&gt;&gt;
themselves, thus making themselves attractive, by&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
choice, to consumers.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Also - the best and
the brightest<br>&gt; are&lt;br&gt;&gt; not necessarily in private
schools.&lt;br&gt;W&lt;br&gt;&gt; went to<br>&gt; private&lt;br&gt;&gt;
schools.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
----- Original Message<br>&gt; ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From:
&quot;David Franzman&quot;
&lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
1:14<br>&gt; AM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&quot;T<br>&gt;<br>&gt; oo<br>&gt; broad a&lt;br&gt;&gt; statement,
David.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Kitty, I don't want
to get<br>&gt; into a&lt;br&gt;&gt; heated debate over what is simply
my&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; belief however I<br>&gt; don't&lt;br&gt;&gt;
understand why your personal experience with&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
parochial<br>&gt; schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; makes my statement too broad. My
p

oint was that if we&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; were all&lt;br&gt;&gt;
sent to the same institutions of learning instead of<br>&gt;
separate&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; whether for personal reasons
or wealth the entire<br>&gt; society would&lt;br&gt;&gt;
have&lt;br&gt;more&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; concern for the welfare of
public<br>&gt; education which as&lt;br&gt;&gt; you must
admit&lt;br&gt;turns&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; out far more<br>&gt; children
than private.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Therefore our schools would<br>&gt;
be&lt;br&gt;better&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; because there would
be&lt;br&gt;&gt; far more involvement by<br>&gt; those who wield
more&lt;br&gt;power&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; within our&lt;br&gt;&gt;
society.&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Nobody would
argue that private institutions are&lt;br&gt;&gt; bad<br>&gt; places
for&lt;br&gt;learning.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Far from it. In fact, what
they do<br>&gt; is&lt;br&gt;&gt; funnel the best and the
brightest&lt;br&gt;&gt; out&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; of the public<br>&gt;
school&lt;br&gt;&gt; system and even worse take the most powerful
people&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; in&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
country and make public education not their<br>&gt;
problem.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; David Franzman&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
A Touch of the<br>&gt; Tropics&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
w&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ww&lt;br&gt;&gt;
.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; -----<br>&gt; Original
Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From:
&quot;Kitty&quot;<br>&gt; &lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
To: &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
Sent:<br>&gt; Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Subject:
Re: Re: [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I've said this all
my adult life:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Private schools are the bane
of&lt;br&gt;&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
country.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &g

t;
&lt;br&gt;&gt; Too broad a statement, David.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
Speaking from my<br>&gt; experience of 12&lt;br&gt;&gt; years of
parochial school, which is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; private
school, but not&lt;br&gt;&gt; quite the private school that Bill
Gate's<br>&gt; kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; would&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; attend.......&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I was able
to<br>&gt; receive a good education with, I&lt;br&gt;&gt; believe, less
of the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; interuptions you mentioned in
another&lt;br&gt;&gt; post. Baby-sitting<br>&gt;
didn't&lt;br&gt;happen&lt;br&gt;&gt; in&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; my
classes. Can't&lt;br&gt;&gt; behave ? Ou<br>&gt;<br>&gt; t you go. My
parents paid tuition for&lt;br&gt;3&lt;br&gt;&gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; us and<br>&gt; we weren't well off by any standards.
All the parents that&lt;br&gt;&gt; pay&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
tuition for parochial schools get no tax break from the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
govt,<br>&gt; and yet&lt;br&gt;&gt; they&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; do not
make use of funds that the govt&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; has assigned for
public&lt;br&gt;schools.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; For&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
12 yrs x 3,<br>&gt; my&lt;br&gt;&gt; folks paid taxes which went to
public schools AND they&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; paid&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; tuition. This allows the public schools extra
funds.<br>&gt; It's not our&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
fault&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; they didn't use it wisely. If I<br>&gt;
had had kids, they too&lt;br&gt;&gt; would have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
attended&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; parochial school.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; -----<br>&gt; Original Message -----
&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; From:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &quot;David
Franzman&quot;<br>&gt; &lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; Se

nt: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:11 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
Subject: Re: Re:<br>&gt; [CHAT] /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
Melody&lt;br&gt;&gt; (I'm sorry<br>&gt; folks I realize this is a garden
group and not a&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
soapbox&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for political agendas) I think the
problem is in<br>&gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; reality. The&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
reality&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; is that there are far<br>&gt; too
many&lt;br&gt;&gt; students in California who don't care&lt;br&gt;&gt;
and&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; whose parents&lt;br&gt;&gt;
don't care whether they get an education or not.<br>&gt;
Fact&lt;br&gt;&gt; is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; there is
only so<br>&gt; much money and resources and the way we&lt;br&gt;&gt;
casually&lt;br&gt;&gt; spend&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; money
in this country insures a bleak&lt;br&gt;&gt; future for<br>&gt;
education.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
I've said this all my adult&lt;br&gt;&gt; life:<br>&gt; Private schools
are the bane of&lt;br&gt;&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; country.
They&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; guarantee unequal education. Send Bill Gate's
and&lt;br&gt;&gt; Warren&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Buffet's kids to public schools and we wouldn't be
having<br>&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
discussion&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; right now. But as long as
we<br>&gt; don't we lose untold&lt;br&gt;&gt; thousands
of&lt;br&gt;bright&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; who don't have the&lt;br&gt;&gt; resources to a good
education and hence<br>&gt; fall&lt;br&gt;&gt; through&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
cracks.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &lt;b<br>&gt; r&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; David Franzman&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt

; 
&gt; &gt; A&lt;br&gt;&gt; Touch of the<br>&gt; Tropics&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; -----<br>&gt; Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: &quot;Melody&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
&lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To:
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:03 AM&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re:<br>&gt; [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;&gt; New
oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; DF:<br>&gt; This is
the&lt;br&gt;&gt; result of a poorly thought out and
woefully&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; underfunded&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;No Child Left Behind Act&quot;,
brought to you<br>&gt; courtesy of our&lt;br&gt;&gt;
current&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; government officials. In
order<br>&gt; to continue&lt;br&gt;&gt; qualifying for
federal&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; financial aid for<br>&gt;
school districts,&lt;br&gt;&gt; each school must meet
grade&lt;br&gt;&gt; level&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
requirements, you&lt;br&gt;&gt; know. Well, if a certain percentage of
the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; children&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; can't make it and that prevents the school<br>&gt;
from getting funding,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; then&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; what is the logical<br>&gt; step? To reduce the
level of&lt;br&gt;&gt; difficulty of&lt;br&gt;what&lt;br&gt;&gt;
is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; being taught to the
lowest&lt;br&gt;&gt; common denominator, i.e. dumbing<br>&gt;
down.&lt;br&gt;In&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's
purest&lt;br&gt;&gt; form, NCLB would be a godsend<br>&gt; to the
children of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
America...teaching them to reach<br>&gt; for the highest
standards.&lt;br&gt;&gt; In&lt;br&gt;it's&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &g

t; &gt; current<br>&gt; bastardized version, it's a
nightmare!&lt;br&gt;&gt; Political action,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; though...the strength of character to&lt;br&gt;&gt;
stand up for what<br>&gt; you&lt;br&gt;believe&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; in...is the&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; o&lt;br&gt;&gt; nly
thing that<br>&gt; will change this unfortunate course of&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; action our<br>&gt; elected officials
have embarked upon. Write or&lt;br&gt;&gt;
call&lt;br&gt;your&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; local
federal and state legislators and demand&lt;br&gt;&gt; that they<br>&gt;
fully&lt;br&gt;fund&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; NCLB act. Okay...off the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; soapbox now...sorry,
folks!&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Melody, IA (Z
5/4)&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&quot;The<br>&gt; most beautiful&lt;br&gt;&gt; thing we can experience
is the mysterious.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
--Albert&lt;br&gt;&gt; Einstein&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; --- On Mon 05/17, David
Franzman &lt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt;
wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: David Franzman<br>&gt;
[mailto:&lt;br&gt;&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net]&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; To:<br>&gt; gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32<br>&gt;
-0700&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re:&lt;br&gt;&gt;
[CHAT] New<br>&gt; oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; No, no, no Pam!&lt;br&gt;&gt;
It's<br>&gt; &quot;Can I supersize that for you!&quot; Man, could
I&lt;br&gt;&gt; tell&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; you&lt;br&gt;stories about my kids sc

ho
ol. They watch more movies&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
than&lt;br&gt;the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; attendants
at&lt;br&gt;the Sundance Movie<br>&gt; Festival.&lt;br&gt;&gt; What's
worse is that&lt;br&gt;&gt; not&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; only
are most<br>&gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt;movies out of context
with the class but&lt;br&gt;&gt; many&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
of&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; them
are...ugh...cartoons.&lt;br&gt;Now are we talking<br>&gt;
about&lt;br&gt;&gt; an&lt;br&gt;elementary&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; school? Nope! High school.<br>&gt; The&lt;br&gt;coup
d'&lt;br&gt;&gt; grace was when my&lt;br&gt;daughter&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; came home<br>&gt; from school and she&lt;br&gt;&gt; told
me&lt;br&gt;that they watched, in&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
Spanish&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; class, a&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Flintstones cartoon<br>&gt; movie...IN&lt;br&gt;ENGLISH! Oh, it
did&lt;br&gt;have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
Spanish<br>&gt; subtitles. The schools are dumbing down&lt;br&gt;our
kids and I&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; find&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; it repugnant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David
Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch of&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
Tropics&lt;br&gt;www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;-----&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
Original&lt;br&gt;&gt; Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&lt;br&gt;From:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
&lt;gardenqueen@academicplanet.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004
7:35&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
PM&lt;br&gt;Subject:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Re: Re: [CHAT]
New&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Agreed. I've
seen&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; what&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; the local public schools
produc&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; e here - you<br>&gt; wan

t&lt;br&gt;fries w/ that?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
Appalling.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Pam<br>&gt;
Evans&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kemp, TX&lt;br&gt;&gt;
zone&lt;br&gt;8A&lt;br&gt;&gt; -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; Original&lt;br&gt;&gt; Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; From:
james singer&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
Sent:&lt;br&gt;5/17/2004&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
4:24:57 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; To:<br>&gt; gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Subject: Re:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;New&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; oleander&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Yes, they
are. And I&lt;br&gt;&gt; thi<br>&gt;<br>&gt; nk<br>&gt; et<br>&gt;
/funds/&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
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