Re: Way OT - Fedex Ground

Much as I don't think of litigation as an ultimate problem solver, it has
been litigation that has forced the legislature to try to deal with the
problem.   

Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN




> [Original Message]
> From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 05/21/2004 7:35:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
>
> Re > I will probably get blasted for this but...
> Why?  I think most of us here are with you on this Bonnie.  A teacher's
day
> is a LOT longer than 9 to 3, 9 months of the year.   Your state needs to
> develop a system of spreading the distribution of tax income more evenly,
as
> the current system promotes a vicious circle of lack of education.  I'm
not
> up on current salaries, but a friend of mine who teaches biology in a
local
> public school and is also a guidance counselor and coach makes over
$40,000.
> I think that's reasonable for all that he does.
>
> Kitty
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
>
>
> > Also, agree.  Our new governor and the push of litigation is trying to
> > correct some of the education defects.  One major problem is that we
rely
> > on property and sales tax for revenue.  Those rural counties with few
> > businesses don't generate enough revenue to support schools.  There are
> > many situations where textbooks are significantly out of date and/or
> > insufficient to provide one to each student and many teachers who teach
> > with temporary certificates.  For example, only one-third of math
teachers
> > are certified in math.   What math major would elect to teach for 18,000
> to
> > 24,000 when he/she could double that in the business world.
> >
> > I will probably get blasted for this but I believe that until we are
> > willing to pay teachers and principals somewhat close to what they could
> > make in equivalent jobs outside of education, we won't attract the
talent
> > we need to "fix" the schools.  And, don't say that they only work a
short
> > day and have the entire summer off.  Good teachers help with after
school
> > programs, spend much of their own time and money preparing for lessons
> > after official school hours, and take additional courses at their own
> > expense.   Besides, the school year is getting longer and longer.
> Teachers
> > report the beginning of August.   It amazes me how much difference there
> is
> > in resources, compensation and time for training preparation and
delivery
> > in the corporate world as compared to "schools".
> >
> > Ok, I will get off my soap box.
> >
> > P.S.  We have a citizens group who is working hard to try to convince
the
> > county commission that building codes are a good and necessary thing.
> >
> > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Tchessie <tchessie@comcast.net>
> > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > Date: 05/20/2004 7:19:21 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> > >
> > > I don't think it is illiterate people who are electing these stupid
> > leaders-
> > > many of them won't vote at all.  You likely can thank your moderately
to
> > > well educated neighbors for the current state of the political scene.
> > >
> > > Theresa
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> > > Behalf Of james singer
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:24 PM
> > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> > >
> > >
> > > This, if true--and I have no reason to believe it's not--it blows my
> > > mind. No wonder we have stupid people electing stupid leaders. Maybe
we
> > > need to go back to some sort of literacy test to vote.
> > > I don't mean the old southern bullshit of asking blacks if they can
> > > read a Chinese newspaper, but the real stuff--can a cracker read
> > > anything except the chewing tobacco advertisements on his favorite
> > > NASCAR entry.
> > >
> > > Just saw G. Weasel Bush on the tube. He seemed to be sweating.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, May 20, 2004, at 10:02 PM, Bonnie Holmes wrote:
> > >
> > > > So true, Sue.  I too have neighbors, friends, and relatives who
drive
> > > > trucks and are responsible and helpful.  I did not mean to imply
that
> > > > all
> > > > truckers are ignorant.  However, even those who drive agree that
there
> > > > are
> > > > a sizable number who can't read or can't follow a map.  You live in
a
> > > > highly regulated state.  Here, in my county, for example, there are
no
> > > > building codes for non-public buildings and my licensed electrician,
> > > > who I
> > > > admire and trust, cannot read and admits it.  Only 19% of my state
has
> > > > a
> > > > degree beyond high school and a sizable number have never completed
> > > > high
> > > > school so we have a large number who are functionally illiterate. 
It
> > > > is a
> > > > serious problem in some areas.
> > > >
> > > > While some companies have strict policies and training, there are
many
> > > > independent truckers and drivers in this area who are not under such
> > > > rules
> > > > nor benefit from company training.
> > > >
> > > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> [Original Message]
> > > >> From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
> > > >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > >> Date: 05/20/2004 2:50:15 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground
> > > >>
> > > >> In a message dated 05/20/2004 3:45:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > >> sue.nyc@att.net writes:
> > > >>
> > > >>> want to clarify a few stereotypes and misconceptions
> > > >>
> > > >> I, for one, know you are right, Sue.  The few drivers I have known
> > > >> well
> > > > were
> > > >> all hard-working upstanding citizens, except for my
> ex-daughter-in-law
> > > > who got
> > > >> a CDL to drive a truck hauling gravel while she was still married
to
> > > >> my
> > > > son.
> > > >> She is an extremely bright woman, even if a total b*****.  The
bottom
> > > > line is
> > > >> that stereotypes are usually wrong.
> > > >>  If there is something wrong at FedEx ground, it probably starts
with
> > > >> the
> > > >> management.  I didn't even know there was such - the FedEx I have
> used
> > > > regularly
> > > >> over at least  15 years has worked very well for me, and the
drivers
> > > >> have
> > > > been
> > > >> very bright, steady fellows. I'm sorry to hear about the problems
> with
> > > > the
> > > >> other.
> > > >> Auralie
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > 27.0 N, 82.4 W
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