Re: Rain

Echinacea actually is pretty xeriscape in clay soil.  I have some that don't
get water for several months and still come back.
In the summer, they get watered every three weeks or so which seems to be
enough.


On 5/16/07, sundrops@earthlink.net <sundrops@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Cyndi, yes my soil is rather clayey and definitely does not drain well in
> most places.  Only a small amount of my land is "cultivated", so it is
> nice
> to have the wildflowers around the edges.  I forgot to mention a wild St
> John's Wort which does grow in my watered perennial garden and also a wild
> geranium which likes the water too but is shortlived.  And a wild morning
> glory is blooming now too.
> --Barb, Grass Valley CA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Johnson Cyndi D Civ 95 CG/SCSRT" <cyndi.johnson@edwards.af.mil>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Rain
>
>
> > Don't you have clay soil or something like that, all the natives I plant
> > need well-drained poor sandy soil which is, of course, exactly what I
> > have. I forgot I also have a few kniphofias in the dry garden, but I
> > don't think they are as happy as they would be with a bit more water. I
> > have a couple cistus in the teahouse garden but they don't really look
> > like they fit there.
> > I get poppies almost everywhere in a good year, even in the veggie
> > garden, but none of the other wildflowers will move into the cultivated
> > areas.
> >
> > Cyndi
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > Behalf Of sundrops@earthlink.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:17 PM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Rain
> >
> > Hi Cyndi, thanks so much for the plant list.  Quite a few of these I
> > have -- just one or two plants.  I'm pretty well up on what the natives
> > around here are.  My over-arching problem is the poor soil, for just
> > about everything!
> > which I am not likely to do a good job remedying at this point in my
> > life.
> > I have several salvia and lavenders are doing very well, also catmints
> > and echinacea (not "dry", I know).  Also have a phlomis planted last
> > fall that is going great guns.  My main shrubs are cistus --- they do
> > super.  Once again did not get any poppies planted -- would love to get
> > them naturalized.
> > HAve one penstemon which sank last year but is coming back well this
> > spring and am going to try more.  I actually had a native buckwheat when
> > I lived the Bay Area and it did great -- have not managed to acquire any
> > more for
> > here but I love the plants.   Blooming wild now are muleears, a local
> > achillea, and a patch of monardella just about to pop, some brodaeia
> > (not sure which).  Thanks for the info!
> > --Barb, Grass Valley, CA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Johnson Cyndi D Civ 95 CG/SCSRT" <cyndi.johnson@edwards.af.mil>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Rain
> >
> >
> >>I have lots of salvias - salvia clevelandii looks the best, also s.
> >> greggii is happy as it's reseeding itself, s.leucophylla, s.
> >> pachyphylla, s.dorrii, s. spathacea. Some penstemons - p.palmeri does
> >> the best it also is reseeding, p.strictus, p.heterophyllus. I've tried
> >> other penstemons but they don't last long. Russian sage, texas ranger,
> >> hesperaloe, buckwheat (Eriogonum umbellatum and e.fasciculatum),
> > Apache
> >> plume (Fallugia paradoxa), spanish lavender, common sage (but it's
> >> struggling), caesalpinia gilliesii, and zauschneria. I have desert
> >> willow (Chilopsis linearis) and silk tree (Albizia julibrissin),
> >> although the silk trees were there before I decided it was a
> > xeriscape.
> >> They've managed okay. Couple of agaves but the gophers are eventually
> >> going to eat them as they've done all the rest, and one opuntia cactus
> >> that may or may not recover from the Big Freeze. I put out Bulbine
> >> frutescens as well but I think that's going to end up as an annual. I
> >> have one ornamental grass but I can't remember what it is, probably
> > some
> >> variety of pennisetum. Dune primrose (Oenothera deltoides) appeared in
> >> the garden and is rapidly spreading, it does not seem to choke out
> >> anything so I leave it as it's quite attractive in bloom. Usually
> > there
> >> are California poppies but not this year, I should have watered during
> >> the winter. I would love to have Datura but so far none of the seed
> > pods
> >> I've collected have produced any plants, and I'd like ceanothus but
> >> haven't been able to get one to live so far.
> >> If you're looking for CA natives check out the Las Pilitas web site,
> >> they are very informative about what grows where - pages and pages of
> >> plant communities are listed. Plug in your ZIP code and they will tell
> >> you what is native to your area.
> >>
> >> Cyndi
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> >> Behalf Of sundrops@earthlink.net
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:30 AM
> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Rain
> >>
> >> Cyndi, what do you have in your dry garden?  We're not in the same
> >> planting zones, but thought there might be some overlap and ideas for
> > me
> >> -- --Barb, Grass Valley CA
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Johnson Cyndi D Civ 95 CG/SCSRT" <cyndi.johnson@edwards.af.mil>
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:13 AM
> >> Subject: RE: [CHAT] Rain
> >>
> >>
> >>> No rain here, and likely no chance of any until next year. We went
> >>> camping in the mountains this weekend and while there is water in
> > most
> >>
> >>> of the streams it is very dry up there. My sister says she will be
> >>> surprised if they don't close the whole area around mid-summer.
> >>> I planted 33 chile pepper plants last night, along with about the
> > same
> >>
> >>> number of bell peppers on Friday. Both beds are covered with Reemay
> >>> but I ran out so I had to uncover the soybeans to take care of the
> >> peppers.
> >>> Hope the rabbits don't go after the soybean plants but they are good
> >>> size by now so I am not too too apprehensive. We haven't yet received
> >>> the zapper thing my husband ordered so I'm still protecting
> > everything
> >>
> >>> with Reemay and chicken wire.
> >>> Aside from the lettuce and the peas, most things in the veggie garden
> >>> look okay. But I haven't uncovered the corn in weeks so I don't know
> >>> what's going on under there, I'll have to check it out before I go to
> >>> New Mexico next week. I got most of the roses deadheaded and that's
> >>> about all I've managed to do in the front. Husband says if I leave
> > him
> >>
> >>> a list while I'm gone he will do some work in the evenings. What a
> >>> guy. He can recognize grass so perhaps I'll ask him to weed the dry
> >>> garden, if I say pull only grass it should be safe enough.
> >>>
> >>> Cyndi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> >>> Behalf Of james singer
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 3:53 PM
> >>> To: Garden Chat
> >>> Subject: [CHAT] Rain
> >>>
> >>> Two showers today, but taken together, less than a half inch of
> > water.
> >>> Of course, if we could get that every day, it would be nice. I
> >>> wouldn't have to worry about watering the stuff in pots and hanging
> >> baskets.
> >>>
> >>> And speaking of hanging baskets, I noticed today that our Garten
> > Perle
> >>
> >>> cherry tomato has about a dozen green fruits. This is one T&M
> >>> recommended for hanging baskets, so it looks like they were right
> >>> although the plant is a bit rangy at this point. Maybe it will get
> >>> droopy as it gets bigger.
> >>>
> >>> Island Jim
> >>> Southwest Florida
> >>> 27.1 N, 82.4 W
> >>> Hardiness Zone 10
> >>> Heat Zone 10
> >>> Sunset Zone 25
> >>> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
> >>> Maximum 100 F [38 C]
> >>>
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Pam Evans
Kemp TX
zone 8A

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