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Re: news of the day


She's not kiddin' y'all. Dharma & Greg have nothing on the Jesse Rene'
and Robert Bell show. Mr. Corporate man bigger is better I see it I buy
it paired w/ Ms. Hippie chick, Simple is good, give me my garden and get
out of my way no stress thank you.

It's amazing. Living proof opposites attract. Their house which is
gorgeous and he had to have it is bigger than my entire LOT! Enormous.
I'd drop dead if I had to clean it and w/ white Berber carpeting for
Pete's sake!



---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:25:29 -0600

>Exactly.  It just makes me crazy.  Only in America do they make vehicles 
>like that.  You go over to Europe and other places......their HOUSES are the 
>size of a Hummer for Pete's sake.  It's nuts.  It's a form of 
>transportation...and that's ALL.  I refuse to "make a statement" from the 
>car I drive.
>
>
>
>>From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:20:01 +0000
>>
>>Well, Jesse, a Hummer is just plain silly. He won't be able to park it
>>in any parking lot and just try parallel parking something that huge. I
>>see where that show CSI Miami uses one, but I would suppose that in some
>>occupations wide is a real plus for carrying certain materials.
>>
>>
>>But when I see someone just driving to and from work in something like
>>that, I just tend to think that some people just have too much money.
>>
>> > Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't know.  Pam
>> > does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I have and live in 
>>a
>> > shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their own stress.  House
>> > payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you down?  Buy 
>>something
>> > more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling Humvee's I lost it and 
>>put
>> > my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of American greed and
>> > one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger than your
>> > truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way.  Does any person 
>>need
>> > what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and back.  NO.  I 
>>told
>> > him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm looking at a
>> > turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's looking 
>>at a
>> > Hummer.  PULeeeze.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
>> > >
>> > >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to build more
>> > >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people would buy. 
>>And,
>> > >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects someone's income.
>> > >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a start.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing peoples proclivity
>> > >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards and
>> > >bankruptcy laws.
>> > >
>> > > > But most of these products require an oil-based economy...and when 
>>we
>> > >buy
>> > > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a significant part of 
>>the
>> > > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have to change 
>>their
>> > > > strategy.
>> > > >
>> > > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > [Original Message]
>> > > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> > > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Marge,
>> > > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed, though I see 
>>the
>> > > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of greed that wants 
>>too
>> > >many
>> > > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run the show. They
>> > > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it hurts 
>>because
>> > > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives already exist or can 
>>be
>> > > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and they're big enough 
>>to
>> > > > > get their way.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Kitty
>> > > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human race since we
>> > > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are fewer societal
>> > > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or maybe just more
>> > > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being greedy used to be
>> > >frowned
>> > > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of our "middle 
>>class"
>> > > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented society.  Used 
>>to
>> > >be
>> > > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it 'til it wears 
>>out,
>> > > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore every day to 
>>high
>> > > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs - think she told me 
>>there
>> > > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and alternated 
>>them.
>> > > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and  wealthy had more
>> > >than
>> > > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for 'best'...the old 
>>"Sunday
>> > > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our "Sunday Best"
>> > > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special occasions).  
>>Today,
>> > > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and keep on buying 
>>them
>> > > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country; all closely 
>>tied
>> > >to
>> > > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is now 
>>closely
>> > > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just reading an 
>>article
>> > >in
>> > > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas decoration or 
>>fake
>> > > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we don't buy 
>>new
>> > > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some poor Chinese 
>>person
>> > > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending circle.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people could only get 
>>what
>> > > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front; most did 
>>without.
>> > > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get about 
>>anything
>> > > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're always in debt (at
>> > > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff' that we 
>>really
>> > > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of jobs in hundreds 
>>of
>> > > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to getting only what 
>>they
>> > > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over the world...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the greedy consumerism
>> > > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of living to 
>>more
>> > > > > > people than ever before in the history of mankind.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up people's 
>>standard
>> > > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP factor?  Can it be 
>>done?
>> > > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at least put some 
>>curbs on
>> > > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about salaries for the big
>> > > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it doesn't just fizzle 
>>out.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
>> > > > > > mtalt@hort.net
>> > > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
>> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------
>> > > > > > Current Article: Variegation on the Green Theme - Part One
>> > > > > > http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening
>> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > > > > > Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date
>> > > > > > http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html
>> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > > > > > All Suite101.com garden topics :
>> > > > > > http://www.suite101.com/topics.cfm/635
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > ----------
>> > > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox over for years.
>> > > > > > Don't
>> > > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil and is 
>>undermining
>> > > > > > every
>> > > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are severely messed 
>>up.
>> > > > > > The
>> > > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off we'll be. But try 
>>to
>> > > > > > preach
>> > > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you have two heads or
>> > > > > > sprouted
>> > > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband just returned 
>>from
>> > > > > > Russia
>> > > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted kids and she 
>>told
>> > >me
>> > > > > > most
>> > > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions these people 
>>live
>> > >in.
>> > > > > > Even
>> > > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would look like a
>> > > > > > palace
>> > > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for themselves. 
>>Might
>> > > > > > wake
>> > > > > > > them up a bit.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
>> > > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became the mantra 
>>for
>> > > > > > corporate
>> > > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large law firm in the 
>>late
>> > > > > > 1970's.
>> > > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One" was on the best
>> > >seller
>> > > > > > list and
>> > > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large firms.  It seems 
>>to
>> > >me
>> > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on self...what one 
>>could
>> > > > > > acquire,
>> > > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses, etc., buying the 
>>best
>> > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less fortunate didn't 
>>concern
>> > > > > > those on
>> > > > > > > >this track unless they were directly involved.  The thought 
>>of
>> > > > > > giving back
>> > > > > > > >to the community whose structure and principles allowed great
>> > > > > > success was
>> > > > > > > >completely lost.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> >
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