Re: news of the day

Question:
How does a "Ms. Hippie chick" end up entering beauty pageants? Not
meaning to stereotype, Jesse, but...... (I know, your answer was "World
Peace" :+) )


Kitty
> She's not kiddin' y'all. Dharma & Greg have nothing on the Jesse Rene'
> and Robert Bell show. Mr. Corporate man bigger is better I see it I buy
> it paired w/ Ms. Hippie chick, Simple is good, give me my garden and get
> out of my way no stress thank you.
> 
> It's amazing. Living proof opposites attract. Their house which is
> gorgeous and he had to have it is bigger than my entire LOT! Enormous.
> I'd drop dead if I had to clean it and w/ white Berber carpeting for
> Pete's sake!
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date:  Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:25:29 -0600
> 
> >Exactly.  It just makes me crazy.  Only in America do they make vehicles 
> >like that.  You go over to Europe and other places......their HOUSES are the 
> >size of a Hummer for Pete's sake.  It's nuts.  It's a form of 
> >transportation...and that's ALL.  I refuse to "make a statement" from the 
> >car I drive.
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> >>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> >>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:20:01 +0000
> >>
> >>Well, Jesse, a Hummer is just plain silly. He won't be able to park it
> >>in any parking lot and just try parallel parking something that huge. I
> >>see where that show CSI Miami uses one, but I would suppose that in some
> >>occupations wide is a real plus for carrying certain materials.
> >>
> >>
> >>But when I see someone just driving to and from work in something like
> >>that, I just tend to think that some people just have too much money.
> >>
> >> > Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't know.  Pam
> >> > does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I have and live in 
> >>a
> >> > shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their own stress.  House
> >> > payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you down?  Buy 
> >>something
> >> > more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling Humvee's I lost it and 
> >>put
> >> > my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of American greed and
> >> > one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger than your
> >> > truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way.  Does any person 
> >>need
> >> > what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and back.  NO.  I 
> >>told
> >> > him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm looking at a
> >> > turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's looking 
> >>at a
> >> > Hummer.  PULeeeze.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> >> > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >> > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >> > >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> >> > >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
> >> > >
> >> > >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to build more
> >> > >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people would buy. 
> >>And,
> >> > >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects someone's income.
> >> > >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a start.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing peoples proclivity
> >> > >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards and
> >> > >bankruptcy laws.
> >> > >
> >> > > > But most of these products require an oil-based economy...and when 
> >>we
> >> > >buy
> >> > > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a significant part of 
> >>the
> >> > > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have to change 
> >>their
> >> > > > strategy.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > [Original Message]
> >> > > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> > > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Marge,
> >> > > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed, though I see 
> >>the
> >> > > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of greed that wants 
> >>too
> >> > >many
> >> > > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run the show. They
> >> > > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it hurts 
> >>because
> >> > > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives already exist or can 
> >>be
> >> > > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and they're big enough 
> >>to
> >> > > > > get their way.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Kitty
> >> > > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human race since we
> >> > > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are fewer societal
> >> > > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or maybe just more
> >> > > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being greedy used to be
> >> > >frowned
> >> > > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of our "middle 
> >>class"
> >> > > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented society.  Used 
> >>to
> >> > >be
> >> > > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it 'til it wears 
> >>out,
> >> > > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore every day to 
> >>high
> >> > > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs - think she told me 
> >>there
> >> > > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and alternated 
> >>them.
> >> > > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and  wealthy had more
> >> > >than
> >> > > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for 'best'...the old 
> >>"Sunday
> >> > > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our "Sunday Best"
> >> > > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special occasions).  
> >>Today,
> >> > > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and keep on buying 
> >>them
> >> > > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country; all closely 
> >>tied
> >> > >to
> >> > > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is now 
> >>closely
> >> > > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just reading an 
> >>article
> >> > >in
> >> > > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas decoration or 
> >>fake
> >> > > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we don't buy 
> >>new
> >> > > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some poor Chinese 
> >>person
> >> > > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending circle.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people could only get 
> >>what
> >> > > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front; most did 
> >>without.
> >> > > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get about 
> >>anything
> >> > > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're always in debt (at
> >> > > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff' that we 
> >>really
> >> > > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of jobs in hundreds 
> >>of
> >> > > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to getting only what 
> >>they
> >> > > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over the world...
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the greedy consumerism
> >> > > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of living to 
> >>more
> >> > > > > > people than ever before in the history of mankind.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up people's 
> >>standard
> >> > > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP factor?  Can it be 
> >>done?
> >> > > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at least put some 
> >>curbs on
> >> > > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about salaries for the big
> >> > > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it doesn't just fizzle 
> >>out.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> >> > > > > > mtalt@hort.net
> >> > > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
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> >> > > > > > ----------
> >> > > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox over for years.
> >> > > > > > Don't
> >> > > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil and is 
> >>undermining
> >> > > > > > every
> >> > > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are severely messed 
> >>up.
> >> > > > > > The
> >> > > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off we'll be. But try 
> >>to
> >> > > > > > preach
> >> > > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you have two heads or
> >> > > > > > sprouted
> >> > > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband just returned 
> >>from
> >> > > > > > Russia
> >> > > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted kids and she 
> >>told
> >> > >me
> >> > > > > > most
> >> > > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions these people 
> >>live
> >> > >in.
> >> > > > > > Even
> >> > > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would look like a
> >> > > > > > palace
> >> > > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for themselves. 
> >>Might
> >> > > > > > wake
> >> > > > > > > them up a bit.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >> > > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> >> > > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >> > > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became the mantra 
> >>for
> >> > > > > > corporate
> >> > > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large law firm in the 
> >>late
> >> > > > > > 1970's.
> >> > > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One" was on the best
> >> > >seller
> >> > > > > > list and
> >> > > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large firms.  It seems 
> >>to
> >> > >me
> >> > > > > > that
> >> > > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on self...what one 
> >>could
> >> > > > > > acquire,
> >> > > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses, etc., buying the 
> >>best
> >> > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less fortunate didn't 
> >>concern
> >> > > > > > those on
> >> > > > > > > >this track unless they were directly involved.  The thought 
> >>of
> >> > > > > > giving back
> >> > > > > > > >to the community whose structure and principles allowed great
> >> > > > > > success was
> >> > > > > > > >completely lost.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >
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