Re: news of the day

Makes sense to me.  It's a shame we waste so much of our younger years trying to please everyone but ourselves.
K
> It was just a fun thing in high school.  Small town, nothing else to 
> do...and all the girls enter it.  And, I'm more of a hippy chick as I get 
> older than I was in high school.  In school I was still trying to get my 
> father's attention by being the best this and the best that.  I figured if I 
> made straight "A's" and the honor roll, and Miss Pryor, and this and 
> that....that my father would finally acknowledge me.  Didn't work.  So, I 
> figured "pffft" on that and do things my way.  I was an art major/psychology 
> minor in college.   So I hung out with all the arty "out there" people...and 
> the psychology people who try to analyze everything.  And where I lived, I 
> was surrounded by "Greeks".  Not that fraternity/sorority groups aren't 
> great...they just all seemed the same to me.  Same clothes, same perfume, 
> same giggle...it just was not me.  So...I took the "Bohemian" route after 
> that.
> 
> 
> Jesse Rene' Bell
> Claremore, OK
> Zone 6
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:41:46 +0000
> >
> >Question:
> >How does a "Ms. Hippie chick" end up entering beauty pageants? Not
> >meaning to stereotype, Jesse, but...... (I know, your answer was "World
> >Peace" :+) )
> >
> >
> >Kitty
> > > She's not kiddin' y'all. Dharma & Greg have nothing on the Jesse Rene'
> > > and Robert Bell show. Mr. Corporate man bigger is better I see it I buy
> > > it paired w/ Ms. Hippie chick, Simple is good, give me my garden and get
> > > out of my way no stress thank you.
> > >
> > > It's amazing. Living proof opposites attract. Their house which is
> > > gorgeous and he had to have it is bigger than my entire LOT! Enormous.
> > > I'd drop dead if I had to clean it and w/ white Berber carpeting for
> > > Pete's sake!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
> > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > Date:  Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:25:29 -0600
> > >
> > > >Exactly.  It just makes me crazy.  Only in America do they make 
> >vehicles
> > > >like that.  You go over to Europe and other places......their HOUSES 
> >are the
> > > >size of a Hummer for Pete's sake.  It's nuts.  It's a form of
> > > >transportation...and that's ALL.  I refuse to "make a statement" from 
> >the
> > > >car I drive.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > >>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >>To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >>Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > >>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:20:01 +0000
> > > >>
> > > >>Well, Jesse, a Hummer is just plain silly. He won't be able to park it
> > > >>in any parking lot and just try parallel parking something that huge. 
> >I
> > > >>see where that show CSI Miami uses one, but I would suppose that in 
> >some
> > > >>occupations wide is a real plus for carrying certain materials.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>But when I see someone just driving to and from work in something like
> > > >>that, I just tend to think that some people just have too much money.
> > > >>
> > > >> > Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't know. 
> >  Pam
> > > >> > does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I have and 
> >live in
> > > >>a
> > > >> > shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their own stress.  
> >House
> > > >> > payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you down?  Buy
> > > >>something
> > > >> > more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling Humvee's I lost 
> >it and
> > > >>put
> > > >> > my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of American greed 
> >and
> > > >> > one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger than 
> >your
> > > >> > truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way.  Does any 
> >person
> > > >>need
> > > >> > what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and back.  NO.  
> >I
> > > >>told
> > > >> > him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm looking at a
> > > >> > turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's 
> >looking
> > > >>at a
> > > >> > Hummer.  PULeeeze.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > >> > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >> > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >> > >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > >> > >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to build 
> >more
> > > >> > >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people would 
> >buy.
> > > >>And,
> > > >> > >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects someone's 
> >income.
> > > >> > >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a start.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing peoples 
> >proclivity
> > > >> > >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards and
> > > >> > >bankruptcy laws.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > But most of these products require an oil-based economy...and 
> >when
> > > >>we
> > > >> > >buy
> > > >> > > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a significant part 
> >of
> > > >>the
> > > >> > > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have to 
> >change
> > > >>their
> > > >> > > > strategy.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > >> > > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > > >> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > >> > > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
> > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Marge,
> > > >> > > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed, though I 
> >see
> > > >>the
> > > >> > > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of greed that 
> >wants
> > > >>too
> > > >> > >many
> > > >> > > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run the show. 
> >They
> > > >> > > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it 
> >hurts
> > > >>because
> > > >> > > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives already exist 
> >or can
> > > >>be
> > > >> > > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and they're big 
> >enough
> > > >>to
> > > >> > > > > get their way.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Kitty
> > > >> > > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human race since 
> >we
> > > >> > > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are fewer 
> >societal
> > > >> > > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or maybe just 
> >more
> > > >> > > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being greedy used to 
> >be
> > > >> > >frowned
> > > >> > > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of our 
> >"middle
> > > >>class"
> > > >> > > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented society.  
> >Used
> > > >>to
> > > >> > >be
> > > >> > > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it 'til it 
> >wears
> > > >>out,
> > > >> > > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore every 
> >day to
> > > >>high
> > > >> > > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs - think she told 
> >me
> > > >>there
> > > >> > > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and 
> >alternated
> > > >>them.
> > > >> > > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and  wealthy had 
> >more
> > > >> > >than
> > > >> > > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for 'best'...the old
> > > >>"Sunday
> > > >> > > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our "Sunday 
> >Best"
> > > >> > > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special occasions).
> > > >>Today,
> > > >> > > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and keep on 
> >buying
> > > >>them
> > > >> > > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country; all 
> >closely
> > > >>tied
> > > >> > >to
> > > >> > > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is now
> > > >>closely
> > > >> > > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just reading an
> > > >>article
> > > >> > >in
> > > >> > > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas decoration 
> >or
> > > >>fake
> > > >> > > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we don't 
> >buy
> > > >>new
> > > >> > > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some poor 
> >Chinese
> > > >>person
> > > >> > > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending circle.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people could only 
> >get
> > > >>what
> > > >> > > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front; most did
> > > >>without.
> > > >> > > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get about
> > > >>anything
> > > >> > > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're always in 
> >debt (at
> > > >> > > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff' that we
> > > >>really
> > > >> > > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of jobs in 
> >hundreds
> > > >>of
> > > >> > > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to getting only 
> >what
> > > >>they
> > > >> > > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over the world...
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the greedy 
> >consumerism
> > > >> > > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of living 
> >to
> > > >>more
> > > >> > > > > > people than ever before in the history of mankind.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up people's
> > > >>standard
> > > >> > > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP factor?  Can it 
> >be
> > > >>done?
> > > >> > > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at least put some
> > > >>curbs on
> > > >> > > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about salaries for the 
> >big
> > > >> > > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it doesn't just 
> >fizzle
> > > >>out.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > > >> > > > > > mtalt@hort.net
> > > >> > > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
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> > > >> > > > > > ----------
> > > >> > > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox over for 
> >years.
> > > >> > > > > > Don't
> > > >> > > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil and is
> > > >>undermining
> > > >> > > > > > every
> > > >> > > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are severely 
> >messed
> > > >>up.
> > > >> > > > > > The
> > > >> > > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off we'll be. But 
> >try
> > > >>to
> > > >> > > > > > preach
> > > >> > > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you have two 
> >heads or
> > > >> > > > > > sprouted
> > > >> > > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband just 
> >returned
> > > >>from
> > > >> > > > > > Russia
> > > >> > > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted kids and 
> >she
> > > >>told
> > > >> > >me
> > > >> > > > > > most
> > > >> > > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions these 
> >people
> > > >>live
> > > >> > >in.
> > > >> > > > > > Even
> > > >> > > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would look 
> >like a
> > > >> > > > > > palace
> > > >> > > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for 
> >themselves.
> > > >>Might
> > > >> > > > > > wake
> > > >> > > > > > > them up a bit.
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > ---------- Original Message 
> >----------------------------------
> > > >> > > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> > > >> > > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >> > > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became the 
> >mantra
> > > >>for
> > > >> > > > > > corporate
> > > >> > > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large law firm in 
> >the
> > > >>late
> > > >> > > > > > 1970's.
> > > >> > > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One" was on the 
> >best
> > > >> > >seller
> > > >> > > > > > list and
> > > >> > > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large firms.  It 
> >seems
> > > >>to
> > > >> > >me
> > > >> > > > > > that
> > > >> > > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on self...what 
> >one
> > > >>could
> > > >> > > > > > acquire,
> > > >> > > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses, etc., buying 
> >the
> > > >>best
> > > >> > > > > > and
> > > >> > > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less fortunate didn't
> > > >>concern
> > > >> > > > > > those on
> > > >> > > > > > > >this track unless they were directly involved.  The 
> >thought
> > > >>of
> > > >> > > > > > giving back
> > > >> > > > > > > >to the community whose structure and principles allowed 
> >great
> > > >> > > > > > success was
> > > >> > > > > > > >completely lost.
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
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