Re: news of the day

Not your typical beauty queen is our friend!!  And she looks better now than she did then.  :-)


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:50:04 -0600

>It was just a fun thing in high school.  Small town, nothing else to 
>do...and all the girls enter it.  And, I'm more of a hippy chick as I get 
>older than I was in high school.  In school I was still trying to get my 
>father's attention by being the best this and the best that.  I figured if I 
>made straight "A's" and the honor roll, and Miss Pryor, and this and 
>that....that my father would finally acknowledge me.  Didn't work.  So, I 
>figured "pffft" on that and do things my way.  I was an art major/psychology 
>minor in college.   So I hung out with all the arty "out there" people...and 
>the psychology people who try to analyze everything.  And where I lived, I 
>was surrounded by "Greeks".  Not that fraternity/sorority groups aren't 
>great...they just all seemed the same to me.  Same clothes, same perfume, 
>same giggle...it just was not me.  So...I took the "Bohemian" route after 
>that.
>
>
>Jesse Rene' Bell
>Claremore, OK
>Zone 6
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:41:46 +0000
>>
>>Question:
>>How does a "Ms. Hippie chick" end up entering beauty pageants? Not
>>meaning to stereotype, Jesse, but...... (I know, your answer was "World
>>Peace" :+) )
>>
>>
>>Kitty
>> > She's not kiddin' y'all. Dharma & Greg have nothing on the Jesse Rene'
>> > and Robert Bell show. Mr. Corporate man bigger is better I see it I buy
>> > it paired w/ Ms. Hippie chick, Simple is good, give me my garden and get
>> > out of my way no stress thank you.
>> >
>> > It's amazing. Living proof opposites attract. Their house which is
>> > gorgeous and he had to have it is bigger than my entire LOT! Enormous.
>> > I'd drop dead if I had to clean it and w/ white Berber carpeting for
>> > Pete's sake!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
>> > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > Date:  Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:25:29 -0600
>> >
>> > >Exactly.  It just makes me crazy.  Only in America do they make 
>>vehicles
>> > >like that.  You go over to Europe and other places......their HOUSES 
>>are the
>> > >size of a Hummer for Pete's sake.  It's nuts.  It's a form of
>> > >transportation...and that's ALL.  I refuse to "make a statement" from 
>>the
>> > >car I drive.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> > >>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >>To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >>Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > >>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:20:01 +0000
>> > >>
>> > >>Well, Jesse, a Hummer is just plain silly. He won't be able to park it
>> > >>in any parking lot and just try parallel parking something that huge. 
>>I
>> > >>see where that show CSI Miami uses one, but I would suppose that in 
>>some
>> > >>occupations wide is a real plus for carrying certain materials.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>But when I see someone just driving to and from work in something like
>> > >>that, I just tend to think that some people just have too much money.
>> > >>
>> > >> > Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't know. 
>>  Pam
>> > >> > does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I have and 
>>live in
>> > >>a
>> > >> > shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their own stress.  
>>House
>> > >> > payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you down?  Buy
>> > >>something
>> > >> > more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling Humvee's I lost 
>>it and
>> > >>put
>> > >> > my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of American greed 
>>and
>> > >> > one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger than 
>>your
>> > >> > truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way.  Does any 
>>person
>> > >>need
>> > >> > what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and back.  NO.  
>>I
>> > >>told
>> > >> > him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm looking at a
>> > >> > turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's 
>>looking
>> > >>at a
>> > >> > Hummer.  PULeeeze.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> > >> > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >> > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >> > >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > >> > >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to build 
>>more
>> > >> > >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people would 
>>buy.
>> > >>And,
>> > >> > >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects someone's 
>>income.
>> > >> > >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a start.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing peoples 
>>proclivity
>> > >> > >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards and
>> > >> > >bankruptcy laws.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > But most of these products require an oil-based economy...and 
>>when
>> > >>we
>> > >> > >buy
>> > >> > > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a significant part 
>>of
>> > >>the
>> > >> > > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have to 
>>change
>> > >>their
>> > >> > > > strategy.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > > [Original Message]
>> > >> > > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>> > >> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> > >> > > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
>> > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > Marge,
>> > >> > > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed, though I 
>>see
>> > >>the
>> > >> > > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of greed that 
>>wants
>> > >>too
>> > >> > >many
>> > >> > > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run the show. 
>>They
>> > >> > > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it 
>>hurts
>> > >>because
>> > >> > > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives already exist 
>>or can
>> > >>be
>> > >> > > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and they're big 
>>enough
>> > >>to
>> > >> > > > > get their way.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > Kitty
>> > >> > > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human race since 
>>we
>> > >> > > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are fewer 
>>societal
>> > >> > > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or maybe just 
>>more
>> > >> > > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being greedy used to 
>>be
>> > >> > >frowned
>> > >> > > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of our 
>>"middle
>> > >>class"
>> > >> > > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented society.  
>>Used
>> > >>to
>> > >> > >be
>> > >> > > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it 'til it 
>>wears
>> > >>out,
>> > >> > > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore every 
>>day to
>> > >>high
>> > >> > > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs - think she told 
>>me
>> > >>there
>> > >> > > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and 
>>alternated
>> > >>them.
>> > >> > > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and  wealthy had 
>>more
>> > >> > >than
>> > >> > > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for 'best'...the old
>> > >>"Sunday
>> > >> > > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our "Sunday 
>>Best"
>> > >> > > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special occasions).
>> > >>Today,
>> > >> > > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and keep on 
>>buying
>> > >>them
>> > >> > > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country; all 
>>closely
>> > >>tied
>> > >> > >to
>> > >> > > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is now
>> > >>closely
>> > >> > > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just reading an
>> > >>article
>> > >> > >in
>> > >> > > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas decoration 
>>or
>> > >>fake
>> > >> > > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we don't 
>>buy
>> > >>new
>> > >> > > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some poor 
>>Chinese
>> > >>person
>> > >> > > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending circle.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people could only 
>>get
>> > >>what
>> > >> > > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front; most did
>> > >>without.
>> > >> > > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get about
>> > >>anything
>> > >> > > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're always in 
>>debt (at
>> > >> > > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff' that we
>> > >>really
>> > >> > > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of jobs in 
>>hundreds
>> > >>of
>> > >> > > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to getting only 
>>what
>> > >>they
>> > >> > > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over the world...
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the greedy 
>>consumerism
>> > >> > > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of living 
>>to
>> > >>more
>> > >> > > > > > people than ever before in the history of mankind.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up people's
>> > >>standard
>> > >> > > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP factor?  Can it 
>>be
>> > >>done?
>> > >> > > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at least put some
>> > >>curbs on
>> > >> > > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about salaries for the 
>>big
>> > >> > > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it doesn't just 
>>fizzle
>> > >>out.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
>> > >> > > > > > mtalt@hort.net
>> > >> > > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
>> > >> > > > > > -----------------------------------------------
>> > >> > > > > > Current Article: Variegation on the Green Theme - Part One
>> > >> > > > > > http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening
>> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > >> > > > > > Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date
>> > >> > > > > > http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html
>> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > >> > > > > > All Suite101.com garden topics :
>> > >> > > > > > http://www.suite101.com/topics.cfm/635
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > ----------
>> > >> > > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox over for 
>>years.
>> > >> > > > > > Don't
>> > >> > > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil and is
>> > >>undermining
>> > >> > > > > > every
>> > >> > > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are severely 
>>messed
>> > >>up.
>> > >> > > > > > The
>> > >> > > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off we'll be. But 
>>try
>> > >>to
>> > >> > > > > > preach
>> > >> > > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you have two 
>>heads or
>> > >> > > > > > sprouted
>> > >> > > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband just 
>>returned
>> > >>from
>> > >> > > > > > Russia
>> > >> > > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted kids and 
>>she
>> > >>told
>> > >> > >me
>> > >> > > > > > most
>> > >> > > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions these 
>>people
>> > >>live
>> > >> > >in.
>> > >> > > > > > Even
>> > >> > > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would look 
>>like a
>> > >> > > > > > palace
>> > >> > > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for 
>>themselves.
>> > >>Might
>> > >> > > > > > wake
>> > >> > > > > > > them up a bit.
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > ---------- Original Message 
>>----------------------------------
>> > >> > > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
>> > >> > > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >> > > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became the 
>>mantra
>> > >>for
>> > >> > > > > > corporate
>> > >> > > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large law firm in 
>>the
>> > >>late
>> > >> > > > > > 1970's.
>> > >> > > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One" was on the 
>>best
>> > >> > >seller
>> > >> > > > > > list and
>> > >> > > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large firms.  It 
>>seems
>> > >>to
>> > >> > >me
>> > >> > > > > > that
>> > >> > > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on self...what 
>>one
>> > >>could
>> > >> > > > > > acquire,
>> > >> > > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses, etc., buying 
>>the
>> > >>best
>> > >> > > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less fortunate didn't
>> > >>concern
>> > >> > > > > > those on
>> > >> > > > > > > >this track unless they were directly involved.  The 
>>thought
>> > >>of
>> > >> > > > > > giving back
>> > >> > > > > > > >to the community whose structure and principles allowed 
>>great
>> > >> > > > > > success was
>> > >> > > > > > > >completely lost.
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> >
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