RE: news of the day: t-shirts

The - Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic. With all the
stress we're under at work now - we need the humor!! I'm wearing my - I
haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister - shirt today.
That was special requested yesterday - LOL.


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: kmrsy@comcast.net
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:41 +0000

>Pam, 
>I only mentioned it on this list. The catalogue was mailed out recently,
>so the shortage is either due to people ordering from the catalogue or
>because they wait to see how many orders they get from the catalogue
>before they place their orders to their suppliers. Which one did you
>order?
>
>
>I would love to get the Christmas Story Leg Lamp as a joke for my niece, but it is far too expensive for just a joke.
>
>Kitty
>> Kitty - how many people did you tell about those T-shirts from What On
>> Earth? They're on back order due to unanticipated demand!! What a
>> scream. I ordered one for my boss too - he's got a birthday coming up.
>> Can't wait to get mine.
>> 
>> 
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> Date:  Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:39:53 -0800
>> 
>> >Perfect Kitty- thanks for sharing!
>> >
>> >Theresa
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
>> >Behalf Of kmrsy@comcast.net
>> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 AM
>> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: hyrid cars
>> >
>> >
>> >For those of you who do not get the comic, Non Sequitur, in your local
>> >paper, or who don't read comics (???) check this one out - it applies to
>> >much of what we've been discussing:
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/
>> >
>> >If you are reading this message after Nov 11, click the calendar on the
>> >above page to see the strip for Nov 11.
>> >
>> >Kitty
>> >> Speaking of cars- we were car shopping today=  My husbands 91 Civic is on
>> >> it's last leg.  The new hybrid Civic is very cool-  51 mpg and very peppy
>> >> and comfortable.  You don't even need to plug it in ever.  It's so quiet
>> >> too....  I'm pushing for this one as a replacement.
>> >>
>> >> Theresa
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
>> >> Behalf Of Jesse Bell
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:58 AM
>> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't know.  Pam
>> >> does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I have and live in a
>> >> shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their own stress.  House
>> >> payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you down?  Buy something
>> >> more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling Humvee's I lost it and
>> >put
>> >> my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of American greed and
>> >> one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger than your
>> >> truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way.  Does any person
>> >need
>> >> what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and back.  NO.  I told
>> >> him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm looking at a
>> >> turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's looking at
>> >a
>> >> Hummer.  PULeeeze.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> >> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> >> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
>> >> >
>> >> >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to build more
>> >> >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people would buy. And,
>> >> >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects someone's income.
>> >> >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a start.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing peoples proclivity
>> >> >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards and
>> >> >bankruptcy laws.
>> >> >
>> >> > > But most of these products require an oil-based economy...and when we
>> >> >buy
>> >> > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a significant part of the
>> >> > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have to change
>> >their
>> >> > > strategy.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > [Original Message]
>> >> > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>> >> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> >> > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Marge,
>> >> > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed, though I see the
>> >> > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of greed that wants too
>> >> >many
>> >> > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run the show. They
>> >> > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it hurts
>> >because
>> >> > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives already exist or can
>> >be
>> >> > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and they're big enough
>> >to
>> >> > > > get their way.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Kitty
>> >> > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human race since we
>> >> > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are fewer societal
>> >> > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or maybe just more
>> >> > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being greedy used to be
>> >> >frowned
>> >> > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of our "middle
>> >class"
>> >> > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented society.  Used to
>> >> >be
>> >> > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it 'til it wears
>> >out,
>> >> > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore every day to
>> >high
>> >> > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs - think she told me
>> >there
>> >> > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and alternated them.
>> >> > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and  wealthy had more
>> >> >than
>> >> > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for 'best'...the old
>> >"Sunday
>> >> > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our "Sunday Best"
>> >> > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special occasions).
>> >Today,
>> >> > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and keep on buying them
>> >> > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country; all closely tied
>> >> >to
>> >> > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is now closely
>> >> > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just reading an article
>> >> >in
>> >> > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas decoration or
>> >fake
>> >> > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we don't buy new
>> >> > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some poor Chinese
>> >person
>> >> > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending circle.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people could only get what
>> >> > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front; most did without.
>> >> > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get about
>> >anything
>> >> > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're always in debt (at
>> >> > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff' that we really
>> >> > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of jobs in hundreds
>> >of
>> >> > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to getting only what
>> >they
>> >> > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over the world...
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the greedy consumerism
>> >> > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of living to more
>> >> > > > > people than ever before in the history of mankind.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up people's
>> >standard
>> >> > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP factor?  Can it be
>> >done?
>> >> > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at least put some curbs
>> >on
>> >> > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about salaries for the big
>> >> > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it doesn't just fizzle
>> >out.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
>> >> > > > > mtalt@hort.net
>> >> > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
>> >> > > > > -----------------------------------------------
>> >> > > > > Current Article: Variegation on the Green Theme - Part One
>> >> > > > > http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening
>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> >> > > > > Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date
>> >> > > > > http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html
>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> >> > > > > All Suite101.com garden topics :
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>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > ----------
>> >> > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox over for years.
>> >> > > > > Don't
>> >> > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil and is undermining
>> >> > > > > every
>> >> > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are severely messed
>> >up.
>> >> > > > > The
>> >> > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off we'll be. But try to
>> >> > > > > preach
>> >> > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you have two heads or
>> >> > > > > sprouted
>> >> > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband just returned from
>> >> > > > > Russia
>> >> > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted kids and she told
>> >> >me
>> >> > > > > most
>> >> > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions these people live
>> >> >in.
>> >> > > > > Even
>> >> > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would look like a
>> >> > > > > palace
>> >> > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for themselves.
>> >Might
>> >> > > > > wake
>> >> > > > > > them up a bit.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> >> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
>> >> > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> >> > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became the mantra
>> >for
>> >> > > > > corporate
>> >> > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large law firm in the late
>> >> > > > > 1970's.
>> >> > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One" was on the best
>> >> >seller
>> >> > > > > list and
>> >> > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large firms.  It seems to
>> >> >me
>> >> > > > > that
>> >> > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on self...what one
>> >could
>> >> > > > > acquire,
>> >> > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses, etc., buying the best
>> >> > > > > and
>> >> > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less fortunate didn't
>> >concern
>> >> > > > > those on
>> >> > > > > > >this track unless they were directly involved.  The thought of
>> >> > > > > giving back
>> >> > > > > > >to the community whose structure and principles allowed great
>> >> > > > > success was
>> >> > > > > > >completely lost.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >>
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>> Pam Evans
>> Kemp TX/zone 8A
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