RE: news of the day: catalogs

I wish y'all could see the STACKS of catalogs I have - 2 piles one on
each side of the couch, 1 stack at the foot of the couch and 2 more on
the coffee table. And I throw 75% of them away at the Post Office when I
pick up my mail. Now how scary is THAT?? Fortunately there's no husband
here to gripe about it and Sugar doesn't care as long as I keep her
favorite nap spots clear. BTW - my camellia is blooming, a little early
but oh MY!

So beautiful. And YES I'm still watering. Please pray for rain here
y'all. The only good news is that all the dandelions are croaking from 6
months w/ no measurable rain. Ugh.


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:21:02 -0600

>That's too funny.  It's the same for me.  I order one stinking thing from an 
>"organic" catalog...and the next thing I know I'm getting 
>"crunchy-groovy-hippy" catalogs.  My husband SWEARS that I get more catalogs 
>than anybody in the world.  I get one called "The Pyramid Collection" that 
>has all kinds of Pagan stuff in it and my husband just looks at me and 
>shakes his head....and my kids grab at it like those seagulls on "Finding 
>Nemo"..."mine, mine, mine".
>
>
>
>>From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
>>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:08:03 +0000
>>
>>God help me, I'm on everyone's mailing list!
>>
>>I get a teak furniture catalogue - I've called and asked to be removed, I 
>>can'
>>afford a teak shish kabob stick! They said they can't take me off.
>>
>>I get a chef's catalogue - I've called and asked to be removed, I don't 
>>cook!
>>I get a goth catalogue - who knows why?
>>I get some sort of gay men's Italian art catalogue - beat's me!
>>I get an artist's catalogue - I can't draw.
>>I get a Hanes catalogue - I haven't worn pantyhose in at least 5 yrs!
>>I get a farm implement catalogue - yeah, my lot is 60x120'.
>>And yes, not long ago I got some sort of pagan/satan/witch catalogue - 
>>pretty
>>interesting, but I can't even guess how I got on their list.
>>
>>Kitty
>>
>>
>>
>>I love to read those T-shirts
>> > And where, dear lady, did you see the "sister" shirt?  Nothern Sun?  Are 
>>you
>> > one of those "Born Again Pagans"?   LOL
>> >
>> > Thanks for the seeds and plant info too.  Very much appreciated!
>> >
>> > Jesse Rene' Bell
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
>> > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:15:52 +0000
>> > >
>> > >I thought that would be the one you'd ordered.  I've seen the 'sister'
>> > >shirt, too.  what a riot!
>> > >Kitty
>> > > > The - Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic. With all 
>>the
>> > > > stress we're under at work now - we need the humor!! I'm wearing my 
>>- I
>> > > > haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister - shirt 
>>today.
>> > > > That was special requested yesterday - LOL.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > > > From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > Date:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:41 +0000
>> > > >
>> > > > >Pam,
>> > > > >I only mentioned it on this list. The catalogue was mailed out
>> > >recently,
>> > > > >so the shortage is either due to people ordering from the catalogue 
>>or
>> > > > >because they wait to see how many orders they get from the 
>>catalogue
>> > > > >before they place their orders to their suppliers. Which one did 
>>you
>> > > > >order?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I would love to get the Christmas Story Leg Lamp as a joke for my
>> > >niece, but it
>> > > > is far too expensive for just a joke.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Kitty
>> > > > >> Kitty - how many people did you tell about those T-shirts from 
>>What
>> > >On
>> > > > >> Earth? They're on back order due to unanticipated demand!! What a
>> > > > >> scream. I ordered one for my boss too - he's got a birthday 
>>coming
>> > >up.
>> > > > >> Can't wait to get mine.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > > > >> From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
>> > > > >> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > >> Date:  Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:39:53 -0800
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> >Perfect Kitty- thanks for sharing!
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >Theresa
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >> >From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net 
>>[o*@hort.net]On
>> > > > >> >Behalf Of kmrsy@comcast.net
>> > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 AM
>> > > > >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > >> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: hyrid cars
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >For those of you who do not get the comic, Non Sequitur, in your
>> > >local
>> > > > >> >paper, or who don't read comics (???) check this one out - it
>> > >applies to
>> > > > >> >much of what we've been discussing:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >If you are reading this message after Nov 11, click the calendar 
>>on
>> > >the
>> > > > >> >above page to see the strip for Nov 11.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >Kitty
>> > > > >> >> Speaking of cars- we were car shopping today=  My husbands 91
>> > >Civic is on
>> > > > >> >> it's last leg.  The new hybrid Civic is very cool-  51 mpg and
>> > >very peppy
>> > > > >> >> and comfortable.  You don't even need to plug it in ever.  
>>It's so
>> > >quiet
>> > > > >> >> too....  I'm pushing for this one as a replacement.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> Theresa
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> > > > >> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
>> > >[o*@hort.net]On
>> > > > >> >> Behalf Of Jesse Bell
>> > > > >> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:58 AM
>> > > > >> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't
>> > >know.  Pam
>> > > > >> >> does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I have 
>>and
>> > >live in a
>> > > > >> >> shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their own 
>>stress.
>> > >House
>> > > > >> >> payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you down?  
>>Buy
>> > >something
>> > > > >> >> more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling Humvee's I 
>>lost
>> > >it and
>> > > > >> >put
>> > > > >> >> my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of American 
>>greed
>> > >and
>> > > > >> >> one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger 
>>than
>> > >your
>> > > > >> >> truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way.  Does 
>>any
>> > >person
>> > > > >> >need
>> > > > >> >> what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and back.  
>>NO.
>> > >I told
>> > > > >> >> him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm looking 
>>at a
>> > > > >> >> turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's
>> > >looking at
>> > > > >> >a
>> > > > >> >> Hummer.  PULeeeze.
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
>> > > > >> >> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > >> >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > > > >> >> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
>> > > > >> >> >
>> > > > >> >> >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to 
>>build
>> > >more
>> > > > >> >> >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people 
>>would
>> > >buy. And,
>> > > > >> >> >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects 
>>someone's
>> > >income.
>> > > > >> >> >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a start.
>> > > > >> >> >
>> > > > >> >> >
>> > > > >> >> >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing peoples
>> > >proclivity
>> > > > >> >> >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards 
>>and
>> > > > >> >> >bankruptcy laws.
>> > > > >> >> >
>> > > > >> >> > > But most of these products require an oil-based 
>>economy...and
>> > >when we
>> > > > >> >> >buy
>> > > > >> >> > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a significant
>> > >part of the
>> > > > >> >> > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have to
>> > >change
>> > > > >> >their
>> > > > >> >> > > strategy.
>> > > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> >> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> > > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> >> > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > [Original Message]
>> > > > >> >> > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>> > > > >> >> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> > > > >> >> > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
>> > > > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
>> > > > >> >> > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > Marge,
>> > > > >> >> > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed, 
>>though I
>> > >see the
>> > > > >> >> > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
>> > > > >> >> > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of greed 
>>that
>> > >wants too
>> > > > >> >> >many
>> > > > >> >> > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run the
>> > >show. They
>> > > > >> >> > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it
>> > >hurts
>> > > > >> >because
>> > > > >> >> > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives already 
>>exist
>> > >or can
>> > > > >> >be
>> > > > >> >> > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and they're 
>>big
>> > >enough
>> > > > >> >to
>> > > > >> >> > > > get their way.
>> > > > >> >> > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > Kitty
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human race
>> > >since we
>> > > > >> >> > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are fewer
>> > >societal
>> > > > >> >> > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or maybe 
>>just
>> > >more
>> > > > >> >> > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being greedy 
>>used to
>> > >be
>> > > > >> >> >frowned
>> > > > >> >> > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
>> > > > >> >> > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of our
>> > >"middle
>> > > > >> >class"
>> > > > >> >> > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented 
>>society.
>> > >Used to
>> > > > >> >> >be
>> > > > >> >> > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it 'til 
>>it
>> > >wears
>> > > > >> >out,
>> > > > >> >> > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
>> > > > >> >> > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore 
>>every
>> > >day to
>> > > > >> >high
>> > > > >> >> > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs - think she
>> > >told me
>> > > > >> >there
>> > > > >> >> > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and
>> > >alternated them.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and  
>>wealthy
>> > >had more
>> > > > >> >> >than
>> > > > >> >> > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for 
>>'best'...the
>> > >old
>> > > > >> >"Sunday
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our 
>>"Sunday
>> > >Best"
>> > > > >> >> > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special
>> > >occasions).
>> > > > >> >Today,
>> > > > >> >> > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and keep on
>> > >buying them
>> > > > >> >> > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
>> > > > >> >> > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country; all
>> > >closely tied
>> > > > >> >> >to
>> > > > >> >> > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is 
>>now
>> > >closely
>> > > > >> >> > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just 
>>reading an
>> > >article
>> > > > >> >> >in
>> > > > >> >> > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas
>> > >decoration or
>> > > > >> >fake
>> > > > >> >> > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we 
>>don't
>> > >buy new
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some poor
>> > >Chinese
>> > > > >> >person
>> > > > >> >> > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending circle.
>> > > > >> >> > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people could 
>>only
>> > >get what
>> > > > >> >> > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front; most 
>>did
>> > >without.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get
>> > >about
>> > > > >> >anything
>> > > > >> >> > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're always 
>>in
>> > >debt (at
>> > > > >> >> > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff' 
>>that
>> > >we really
>> > > > >> >> > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of jobs 
>>in
>> > >hundreds
>> > > > >> >of
>> > > > >> >> > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to getting 
>>only
>> > >what
>> > > > >> >they
>> > > > >> >> > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over the
>> > >world...
>> > > > >> >> > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the greedy
>> > >consumerism
>> > > > >> >> > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of 
>>living
>> > >to more
>> > > > >> >> > > > > people than ever before in the history of mankind.
>> > > > >> >> > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up
>> > >people's
>> > > > >> >standard
>> > > > >> >> > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP factor?  
>>Can it
>> > >be
>> > > > >> >done?
>> > > > >> >> > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at least put
>> > >some curbs
>> > > > >> >on
>> > > > >> >> > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about salaries for 
>>the
>> > >big
>> > > > >> >> > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it doesn't 
>>just
>> > >fizzle
>> > > > >> >out.
>> > > > >> >> > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
>> > > > >> >> > > > > mtalt@hort.net
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
>> > > > >> >> > > > > -----------------------------------------------
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Current Article: Variegation on the Green Theme - Part 
>>One
>> > > > >> >> > > > > http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening
>> > > > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date
>> > > > >> >> > > > > http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html
>> > > > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
>> > > > >> >> > > > > All Suite101.com garden topics :
>> > > > >> >> > > > > http://www.suite101.com/topics.cfm/635
>> > > > >> >> > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > ----------
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox over 
>>for
>> > >years.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Don't
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil and is
>> > >undermining
>> > > > >> >> > > > > every
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are 
>>severely
>> > >messed
>> > > > >> >up.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > The
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off we'll be. 
>>But
>> > >try to
>> > > > >> >> > > > > preach
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you have two
>> > >heads or
>> > > > >> >> > > > > sprouted
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband just
>> > >returned from
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Russia
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted kids 
>>and
>> > >she told
>> > > > >> >> >me
>> > > > >> >> > > > > most
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions these
>> > >people live
>> > > > >> >> >in.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > Even
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would 
>>look
>> > >like a
>> > > > >> >> > > > > palace
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for
>> > >themselves.
>> > > > >> >Might
>> > > > >> >> > > > > wake
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > them up a bit.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > ---------- Original Message
>> > >----------------------------------
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became 
>>the
>> > >mantra
>> > > > >> >for
>> > > > >> >> > > > > corporate
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large law firm 
>>in
>> > >the late
>> > > > >> >> > > > > 1970's.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One" was on 
>>the
>> > >best
>> > > > >> >> >seller
>> > > > >> >> > > > > list and
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large firms.  
>>It
>> > >seems to
>> > > > >> >> >me
>> > > > >> >> > > > > that
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on 
>>self...what
>> > >one
>> > > > >> >could
>> > > > >> >> > > > > acquire,
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses, etc., 
>>buying
>> > >the best
>> > > > >> >> > > > > and
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >bragging on it.  Problems of those less fortunate
>> > >didn't
>> > > > >> >concern
>> > > > >> >> > > > > those on
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >this track unless they were directly involved.  The
>> > >thought of
>> > > > >> >> > > > > giving back
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >to the community whose structure and principles 
>>allowed
>> > >great
>> > > > >> >> > > > > success was
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >completely lost.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
>> > > > >> >>
>> > > > >> >> 
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