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RE: news of the day: catalogs


Oh, I ***love*** catalogs!!!!!! As I have no credit cards, I am
perfectly safe with them (I've never ordered a thing from any of
them)...I just get such a vicarious thrill out of seeing all the stuff
that is out there is consumer-land...yeah, I know, considering the
recent discussions we've been having and my own thoughts on how shameful
it is that we live in such a materialistic world this is not such a
great p.c. stance, but...I think maybe this is an issue rooted in my
childhood poverty...when you grow up on welfare, with nothing
(absolutely nothing) new, ever...it's kind of cool to see what you could
buy if you really wanted to. All my friends bring me their catalogs,
even their old ones...someday I'd like to get hold of a Nieman Marcus
catalog, just for the novelty of seeing what the really wealthy can buy!
Of course, I then recycle all these catalogs via my brownie troop by
letting the girls use them for art projects and stuff.



Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Wed 11/12, Pamela J. Evans < gardenqueen@gbronline.com > wrote:
From: Pamela J. Evans [mailto: gardenqueen@gbronline.com]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:22:30 -0600
Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: catalogs

I wish y'all could see the STACKS of catalogs I have - 2 piles one
on<br>each side of the couch, 1 stack at the foot of the couch and 2
more on<br>the coffee table. And I throw 75% of them away at the Post
Office when I<br>pick up my mail. Now how scary is THAT?? Fortunately
there's no husband<br>here to gripe about it and Sugar doesn't care as
long as I keep her<br>favorite nap spots clear. BTW - my camellia is
blooming, a little early<br>but oh MY!<br><br>So beautiful. And YES I'm
still watering. Please pray for rain here<br>y'all. The only good news
is that all the dandelions are croaking from 6<br>months w/ no
measurable rain. Ugh.<br><br><br>---------- Original Message
----------------------------------<br>From: "Jesse Bell"
<jesserenebell@hotmail.com><br>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>Date:
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:21:02 -0600<br><br>>That's too funny. It's the same
for me. I order one stinking thing from an <br>>"organic" catalog...and
the next thing I know I'm getting <br>>"crunchy-groovy-hippy" catalogs.
My husband SWEARS that I get more catalogs <br>>than anybody in the
world. I get one called "The Pyramid Collection" that <br>>has all kinds
of Pagan stuff in it and my husband just looks at me and <br>>shakes his
head....and my kids grab at it like those seagulls on "Finding
<br>>Nemo"..."mine, mine, mine".<br>><br>><br>><br>>>From:
kmrsy@comcast.net<br>>>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>>>To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>>>Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day:
t-shirts<br>>>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:08:03 +0000<br>>><br>>>God help
me, I'm on everyone's mailing list!<br>>><br>>>I get a teak furniture
catalogue - I've called and asked to be removed, I
<br>>>can'<br>>>afford a teak shish kabob stick! They said they can't
take me off.<br>>><br>>>I get a chef's catalogue - I've called and asked
to be removed, I don't <br>>>cook!<br>>>I get a goth catalogue - who
knows why?<br>>>I get some sort of gay men's Italian art catalogue -
beat's me!<br>>>I get an artist's catalogue - I can't draw.<br>>>I get a
Hanes cat

alogue - I haven't worn pantyhose in at least 5 yrs!<br>>>I get a farm
implement catalogue - yeah, my lot is 60x120'.<br>>>And yes, not long
ago I got some sort of pagan/satan/witch catalogue -
<br>>>pretty<br>>>interesting, but I can't even guess how I got on their
list.<br>>><br>>>Kitty<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>I love to read those
T-shirts<br>>> > And where, dear lady, did you see the "sister" shirt?
Nothern Sun? Are <br>>>you<br>>> > one of those "Born Again Pagans"?
LOL<br>>> ><br>>> > Thanks for the seeds and plant info too. Very much
appreciated!<br>>> ><br>>> > Jesse Rene' Bell<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>>
><br>>> > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net<br>>> > >Reply-To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > >To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > >Subject:
RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts<br>>> > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003
19:15:52 +0000<br>>> > ><br>>> > >I thought that would be the one you'd
ordered. I've seen the 'sister'<br>>> > >shirt, too. what a riot!<br>>>
> >Kitty<br>>> > > > The - Tact is for people not witty enough to be
sarcastic. With all <br>>>the<br>>> > > > stress we're under at work now
- we need the humor!! I'm wearing my <br>>>- I<br>>> > > > haven't been
the same since that house fell on my sister - shirt <br>>>today.<br>>> >
> > That was special requested yesterday - LOL.<br>>> > > ><br>>> > >
><br>>> > > > ---------- Original Message
----------------------------------<br>>> > > > From:
kmrsy@comcast.net<br>>> > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > > >
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:41 +0000<br>>> > > ><br>>> > > >
>Pam,<br>>> > > > >I only mentioned it on this list. The catalogue was
mailed out<br>>> > >recently,<br>>> > > > >so the shortage is either due
to people ordering from the catalogue <br>>>or<br>>> > > > >because they
wait to see how many orders they get from the <br>>>catalogue<br>>> > >
> >before they place their orders to their suppliers. Which one did
<br>>>you<br>>> > > > >order?<br>>> > > > ><br>>> > > > ><br>>> > > > >I
would love to get the Christmas Story Leg Lamp as a joke for my<br>>> >

>n
iece, but it<br>>> > > > is far too expensive for just a joke.<br>>> > >
> ><br>>> > > > >Kitty<br>>> > > > >> Kitty - how many people did you
tell about those T-shirts from <br>>>What<br>>> > >On<br>>> > > > >>
Earth? They're on back order due to unanticipated demand!! What a<br>>>
> > > >> scream. I ordered one for my boss too - he's got a birthday
<br>>>coming<br>>> > >up.<br>>> > > > >> Can't wait to get mine.<br>>> >
> > >><br>>> > > > >><br>>> > > > >> ---------- Original Message
----------------------------------<br>>> > > > >> From: "Theresa"
<tchessie@comcast.net><br>>> > > > >> Reply-To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > > > >> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:39:53
-0800<br>>> > > > >><br>>> > > > >> >Perfect Kitty- thanks for
sharing!<br>>> > > > >> ><br>>> > > > >> >Theresa<br>>> > > > >> ><br>>>
> > > >> >-----Original Message-----<br>>> > > > >> >From:
owner-gardenchat@hort.net
<br>>>[mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On<br>>> > > > >> >Behalf Of
kmrsy@comcast.net<br>>> > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01
AM<br>>> > > > >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > > > >> >Subject: RE:
[CHAT] news of the day: hyrid cars<br>>> > > > >> ><br>>> > > > >>
><br>>> > > > >> >For those of you who do not get the comic, Non
Sequitur, in your<br>>> > >local<br>>> > > > >> >paper, or who don't
read comics (???) check this one out - it<br>>> > >applies to<br>>> > >
> >> >much of what we've been discussing:<br>>> > > > >> ><br>>> > > >
>> ><br>>> > > > >> >

    http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/<br>>>

> > > >> ><br>>> > > > >> >If you are reading this message after Nov 11,
click the calendar <br>>>on<br>>> > >the<br>>> > > > >> >above page to
see the strip for Nov 11.<br>>> > > > >> ><br>>> > > > >> >Kitty<br>>> >
> > >> >> Speaking of cars- we were car shopping today= My husbands
91<br>>> > >Civic is on<br>>> > > > >> >> it's last leg. The new hybrid
Civic is very cool- 51 mpg and<br>>> > >very peppy<br>>> > > > >> >> and
comfortable. You don't even need to plug it in ever. <br>>>It's so<br>>>
> >quiet<br>>> > > > >>

>> too.... I'm pushing for this one as a replacement.<br>>> > > > >>
>><br>>> > > > >> >> Theresa<br>>> > > > >> >><br>>> > > > >> >>
-----Original Message-----<br>>> > > > >> >> From:
owner-gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> >
>[mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On<br>>> > > > >> >> Behalf Of Jesse
Bell<br>>> > > > >> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:58 AM<br>>> > >
> >> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT]
news of the day<br>>> > > > >> >><br>>> > > > >> >><br>>> > > > >> >>
Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't<br>>> >
>know. Pam<br>>> > > > >> >> does though. I'm just about ready to sell
everything I have <br>>>and<br>>> > >live in a<br>>> > > > >> >> shoebox
somewhere. People (my husband) create their own <br>>>stress.<br>>> >
>House<br>>> > > > >> >> payment too high? Sell it. Car payments getting
you down? <br>>>Buy<br>>> > >something<br>>> > > > >> >> more
reasonable. When my husband started oogling Humvee's I <br>>>lost<br>>>
> >it and<br>>> > > > >> >put<br>>> > > > >> >> my foot down. I said,
"they are a gross display of American <br>>>greed<br>>> > >and<br>>> > >
> >> >> one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger
<br>>>than<br>>> > >your<br>>> > > > >> >> truck!" He looked shocked
that I would feel this way. Does <br>>>any<br>>> > >person<br>>> > > >
>> >need<br>>> > > > >> >> what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to
work and back. <br>>>NO.<br>>> > >I told<br>>> > > > >> >> him he better
not bring one of them home either. I'm looking <br>>>at a<br>>> > > > >>
>> turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's<br>>>
> >looking at<br>>> > > > >> >a<br>>> > > > >> >> Hummer.
PULeeeze.<br>>> > > > >> >><br>>> > > > >> >><br>>> > > > >> >><br>>> >
> > >> >> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net<br>>> > > > >> >> >Reply-To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > > > >> >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > >
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day<br>>> > > > >> >> >Date:
Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000<br>>> > > > >> >> ><br>>>

 >
> > >> >> >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to
<br>>>build<br>>> > >more<br>>> > > > >> >> >fuel efficient/alternative
fuel cars, that's what people <br>>>would<br>>> > >buy. And,<br>>> > > >
>> >> >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects
<br>>>someone's<br>>> > >income.<br>>> > > > >> >> >I know this doesn't
apply to all 'things', but it's a start.<br>>> > > > >> >> ><br>>> > > >
>> >> ><br>>> > > > >> >> >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about
changing peoples<br>>> > >proclivity<br>>> > > > >> >> >for shopping.
Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards <br>>>and<br>>> > > > >> >>
>bankruptcy laws.<br>>> > > > >> >> ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > But most of
these products require an oil-based <br>>>economy...and<br>>> > >when
we<br>>> > > > >> >> >buy<br>>> > > > >> >> > > lots of things...we
continue to fuel it. If a significant<br>>> > >part of the<br>>> > > >
>> >> > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have
to<br>>> > >change<br>>> > > > >> >their<br>>> > > > >> >> > >
strategy.<br>>> > > > >> >> > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > Bonnie Zone 6+
ETN<br>>> > > > >> >> > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > ><br>>> > > > >> >> >
><br>>> > > > >> >> > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > [Original Message]<br>>>
> > > >> >> > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > To:
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32
AM<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day<br>>> > >
> >> >> > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > Marge,<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > I
agree with most of what you said regarding greed, <br>>>though I<br>>> >
>see the<br>>> > > > >> >> > > value of a well-controlled credit
card.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > I don't so much
have problems with the kind of greed <br>>>that<br>>> > >wants too<br>>>
> > > >> >> >many<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > clothes or tv sets, but with
greed by those who run the<br>>> > >show. They<br>>> > > > >> >> > > >
inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it<br>>> >
>hurts<br>>>

> > > >> >because<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > they are heavily invested in
it. Alternatives already <br>>>exist<br>>> > >or can<br>>> > > > >>
>be<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route
and they're <br>>>big<br>>> > >enough<br>>> > > > >> >to<br>>> > > > >>
>> > > > get their way.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > >
><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > Kitty<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > Well, Pam, I
think greed has been with the human race<br>>> > >since we<br>>> > > >
>> >> > > > > started walking upright. Just seems there are fewer<br>>>
> >societal<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > restraints on it now than there
used to be - or maybe <br>>>just<br>>> > >more<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >
opportunities for people to indulge. Being greedy <br>>>used to<br>>> >
>be<br>>> > > > >> >> >frowned<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > upon; now it
seems to be the norm.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > >
> I also think that the relative wealth and size of our<br>>> >
>"middle<br>>> > > > >> >class"<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > encourages
greed - as does our consumer oriented <br>>>society.<br>>> > >Used
to<br>>> > > > >> >> >be<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > - for the vast
majority of people - that ' use it 'til <br>>>it<br>>> > >wears<br>>> >
> > >> >out,<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > then do without' was how things
worked.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > During the
depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore <br>>>every<br>>> > >day
to<br>>> > > > >> >high<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > school - it had
removable collar and cuffs - think she<br>>> > >told me<br>>> > > > >>
>there<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every
night and<br>>> > >alternated them.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > Before her
time, few but the upper classes and <br>>>wealthy<br>>> > >had
more<br>>> > > > >> >> >than<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > one garment for
every day wear and one for <br>>>'best'...the<br>>> > >old<br>>> > > >
>> >"Sunday<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we
still had our

<b
r>>>"Sunday<br>>> > >Best"<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > outfit; worn only
on Sunday or for very special<br>>> > >occasions).<br>>> > > > >>
>Today,<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > people have closets bursting with
clothes and keep on<br>>> > >buying them<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >
although what they have is perfectly good.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > >
><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this
country; all<br>>> > >closely tied<br>>> > > > >> >> >to<br>>> > > > >>
>> > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is
<br>>>now<br>>> > >closely<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > knit to the rest of
the world economy; was just <br>>>reading an<br>>> > >article<br>>> > >
> >> >> >in<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > the paper today about how almost
every Christmas<br>>> > >decoration or<br>>> > > > >> >fake<br>>> > > >
>> >> > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we
<br>>>don't<br>>> > >buy new<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > Christmas
goodies, it now adversely affects some poor<br>>> > >Chinese<br>>> > > >
>> >person<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > earning a big $100/month. Sort of
an unending circle.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >
When society operated on a cash basis, people could <br>>>only<br>>> >
>get what<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > they could actually afford to pay
for up front; most <br>>>did<br>>> > >without.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >
Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get<br>>> >
>about<br>>> > > > >> >anything<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > if they have
plastic and people do...so we're always <br>>>in<br>>> > >debt (at<br>>>
> > > >> >> > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff'
<br>>>that<br>>> > >we really<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > don't actually
need, but providing thousands of jobs <br>>>in<br>>> > >hundreds<br>>> >
> > >> >of<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > related industries. If everybody
cut back to getting <br>>>only<br>>> > >what<br>>> > > > >> >they<br>>>
> > > >> >> > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over
the<br>>> > >world.

..<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > The reverse side
of this coin is that all the greedy<br>>> > >consumerism<br>>> > > > >>
>> > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of
<br>>>living<br>>> > >to more<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > people than ever
before in the history of mankind.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > ><br>>> > > >
>> >> > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up<br>>> >
>people's<br>>> > > > >> >standard<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > of living
but eliminating the greed as SOP factor? <br>>>Can it<br>>> > >be<br>>>
> > > >> >done?<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > I would hope that we - as a
society - can at least put<br>>> > >some curbs<br>>> > > > >> >on<br>>>
> > > >> >> > > > > the current trends. The scandals about salaries for
<br>>>the<br>>> > >big<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > corporation CEO's is a
small start - if it doesn't <br>>>just<br>>> > >fizzle<br>>> > > > >>
>out.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > Marge Talt,
zone 7 Maryland<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > mtalt@hort.net<br>>> > > > >>
>> > > > > Editor: Gardening in Shade<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >
-----------------------------------------------<br>>> > > > >> >> > > >
> Current Article: Variegation on the Green Theme - Part <br>>>One<br>>>
> > > >> >> > > > >
http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening<br>>> > > > >> >> >
> > > ------------------------------------------------<br>>> > > > >> >>
> > > > Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date<br>>> > > > >>
>> > > > > http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html<br>>> > > > >> >> >
> > > ------------------------------------------------<br>>> > > > >> >>
> > > > All Suite101.com garden topics :<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >

    http://www.suite101.com/topics.cfm/635<br>>>

> > > >> >> > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > ----------<br>>> > > > >>
>> > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com><br>>> > >
> >> >> > > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been
turning that soapbox over <br>>>for<br>>> > >years.<br>>> >

 >
> >> >> > > > > Don't<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > understand greed,
never have, but it is evil and is<br>>> > >undermining<br>>> > > > >> >>
> > > > every<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > society it touches. Priorities
these days are <br>>>severely<br>>> > >messed<br>>> > > > >> >up.<br>>>
> > > >> >> > > > > The<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > sooner ALL get hip
to that, the better off we'll be. <br>>>But<br>>> > >try to<br>>> > > >
>> >> > > > > preach<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > that sermon and people
look at you like you have two<br>>> > >heads or<br>>> > > > >> >> > > >
> sprouted<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and
her husband just<br>>> > >returned from<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >
Russia<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > where they were picking up their
newly adopted kids <br>>>and<br>>> > >she told<br>>> > > > >> >>
>me<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > most<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > Americans
would be appalled at the conditions these<br>>> > >people live<br>>> > >
> >> >> >in.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > Even<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would <br>>>look<br>>> >
>like a<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > palace<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
over there. Wish more people could see that for<br>>> >
>themselves.<br>>> > > > >> >Might<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > wake<br>>>
> > > >> >> > > > > > them up a bit.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > ><br>>> >
> > >> >> > > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > I can dream, can't
I?<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > ----------
Original Message<br>>> > >----------------------------------<br>>> > > >
>> >> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net><br>>> > > > >>
>> > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > ><br>>> >
> > >> >> > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became
<br>>>the<br>>> > >mantra<br>>> > > > >> >for<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >
corporate<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >America. I was working in D.C.

in a large law firm <br>>>in<br>>> > >the late<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > >
1970's.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For
Number One" was on <br>>>the<br>>> > >best<br>>> > > > >> >>
>seller<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > list and<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
>required reading for managers of many large firms. <br>>>It<br>>> >
>seems to<br>>> > > > >> >> >me<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > that<br>>> > >
> >> >> > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on
<br>>>self...what<br>>> > >one<br>>> > > > >> >could<br>>> > > > >> >> >
> > > acquire,<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >how much one could spend on
cars, houses, etc., <br>>>buying<br>>> > >the best<br>>> > > > >> >> > >
> > and<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >bragging on it. Problems of those
less fortunate<br>>> > >didn't<br>>> > > > >> >concern<br>>> > > > >> >>
> > > > those on<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >this track unless they
were directly involved. The<br>>> > >thought of<br>>> > > > >> >> > > >
> giving back<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >to the community whose
structure and principles <br>>>allowed<br>>> > >great<br>>> > > > >> >>
> > > > success was<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >completely lost.<br>>>
> > > >> >> > > > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox
just turned over.<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > >
> > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN<br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >>
> > > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > > ><br>>> > > > >> >> > > > > >
><br>>> > > > >> >><br>>> > > > >> >>
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