RE: news of the day: t-shirts

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• To: g*@hort.net
• Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
• From: "Jesse Bell" j*@hotmail.com
• Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:46:01 -0600

From: kmrsy@comcast.net
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:25:04 +0000

"CRUNCHY?-groovy-hippy" .....LOL, but please explain crunchy?
I think I got Pyramid once too.
> That's too funny. It's the same for me. I order one stinking thing from an
> "organic" catalog...and the next thing I know I'm getting
> "crunchy-groovy-hippy" catalogs. My husband SWEARS that I get more catalogs
> than anybody in the world. I get one called "The Pyramid Collection" that
> has all kinds of Pagan stuff in it and my husband just looks at me and
> shakes his head....and my kids grab at it like those seagulls on "Finding
> Nemo"..."mine, mine, mine".
>
>
>
> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:08:03 +0000
> >
> >God help me, I'm on everyone's mailing list!
> >
> >I get a teak furniture catalogue - I've called and asked to be removed, I
> >can'
> >afford a teak shish kabob stick! They said they can't take me off.
> >
> >I get a chef's catalogue - I've called and asked to be removed, I don't
> >cook!
> >I get a goth catalogue - who knows why?
> >I get some sort of gay men's Italian art catalogue - beat's me!
> >I get an artist's catalogue - I can't draw.
> >I get a Hanes catalogue - I haven't worn pantyhose in at least 5 yrs!
> >I get a farm implement catalogue - yeah, my lot is 60x120'.
> >And yes, not long ago I got some sort of pagan/satan/witch catalogue -
> >pretty
> >interesting, but I can't even guess how I got on their list.
> >
> >Kitty
> >
> >
> >
> >I love to read those T-shirts
> > > And where, dear lady, did you see the "sister" shirt? Nothern Sun? Are
> >you
> > > one of those "Born Again Pagans"? LOL
> > >
> > > Thanks for the seeds and plant info too. Very much appreciated!
> > >
> > > Jesse Rene' Bell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> > > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:15:52 +0000
> > > >
> > > >I thought that would be the one you'd ordered. I've seen the 'sister'
> > > >shirt, too. what a riot!
> > > >Kitty
> > > > > The - Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic. With all
> >the
> > > > > stress we're under at work now - we need the humor!! I'm wearing my
> >- I
> > > > > haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister - shirt
> >today.
> > > > > That was special requested yesterday - LOL.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > > > From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:41 +0000
> > > > >
> > > > > >Pam,
> > > > > >I only mentioned it on this list. The catalogue was mailed out
> > > >recently,
> > > > > >so the shortage is either due to people ordering from the catalogue
> >or
> > > > > >because they wait to see how many orders they get from the
> >catalogue
> > > > > >before they place their orders to their suppliers. Which one did
> >you
> > > > > >order?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I would love to get the Christmas Story Leg Lamp as a joke for my
> > > >niece, but it
> > > > > is far too expensive for just a joke.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Kitty
> > > > > >> Kitty - how many people did you tell about those T-shirts from
> >What
> > > >On
> > > > > >> Earth? They're on back order due to unanticipated demand!! What a
> > > > > >> scream. I ordered one for my boss too - he's got a birthday
> >coming
> > > >up.
> > > > > >> Can't wait to get mine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > > > >> From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
> > > > > >> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:39:53 -0800
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >Perfect Kitty- thanks for sharing!
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Theresa
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> >From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> >[o*@hort.net]On
> > > > > >> >Behalf Of kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 AM
> > > > > >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: hyrid cars
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >For those of you who do not get the comic, Non Sequitur, in your
> > > >local
> > > > > >> >paper, or who don't read comics (???) check this one out - it
> > > >applies to
> > > > > >> >much of what we've been discussing:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >If you are reading this message after Nov 11, click the calendar
> >on
> > > >the
> > > > > >> >above page to see the strip for Nov 11.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Kitty
> > > > > >> >> Speaking of cars- we were car shopping today= My husbands 91
> > > >Civic is on
> > > > > >> >> it's last leg. The new hybrid Civic is very cool- 51 mpg and
> > > >very peppy
> > > > > >> >> and comfortable. You don't even need to plug it in ever.
> >It's so
> > > >quiet
> > > > > >> >> too.... I'm pushing for this one as a replacement.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Theresa
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> > > >[o*@hort.net]On
> > > > > >> >> Behalf Of Jesse Bell
> > > > > >> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:58 AM
> > > > > >> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just don't
> > > >know. Pam
> > > > > >> >> does though. I'm just about ready to sell everything I have
> >and
> > > >live in a
> > > > > >> >> shoebox somewhere. People (my husband) create their own
> >stress.
> > > >House
> > > > > >> >> payment too high? Sell it. Car payments getting you down?
> >Buy
> > > >something
> > > > > >> >> more reasonable. When my husband started oogling Humvee's I
> >lost
> > > >it and
> > > > > >> >put
> > > > > >> >> my foot down. I said, "they are a gross display of American
> >greed
> > > >and
> > > > > >> >> one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is bigger
> >than
> > > >your
> > > > > >> >> truck!" He looked shocked that I would feel this way. Does
> >any
> > > >person
> > > > > >> >need
> > > > > >> >> what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and back.
> >NO.
> > > >I told
> > > > > >> >> him he better not bring one of them home either. I'm looking
> >at a
> > > > > >> >> turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and he's
> > > >looking at
> > > > > >> >a
> > > > > >> >> Hummer. PULeeeze.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > > > > >> >> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >> >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > > >> >> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required to
> >build
> > > >more
> > > > > >> >> >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people
> >would
> > > >buy. And,
> > > > > >> >> >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects
> >someone's
> > > >income.
> > > > > >> >> >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a start.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing peoples
> > > >proclivity
> > > > > >> >> >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit cards
> >and
> > > > > >> >> >bankruptcy laws.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > But most of these products require an oil-based
> >economy...and
> > > >when we
> > > > > >> >> >buy
> > > > > >> >> > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it. If a significant
> > > >part of the
> > > > > >> >> > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would have to
> > > >change
> > > > > >> >their
> > > > > >> >> > > strategy.
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > >> >> > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > > > > >> >> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > > > >> >> > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
> > > > > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > Marge,
> > > > > >> >> > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed,
> >though I
> > > >see the
> > > > > >> >> > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of greed
> >that
> > > >wants too
> > > > > >> >> >many
> > > > > >> >> > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run the
> > > >show. They
> > > > > >> >> > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or what it
> > > >hurts
> > > > > >> >because
> > > > > >> >> > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives already
> >exist
> > > >or can
> > > > > >> >be
> > > > > >> >> > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and they're
> >big
> > > >enough
> > > > > >> >to
> > > > > >> >> > > > get their way.
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > Kitty
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human race
> > > >since we
> > > > > >> >> > > > > started walking upright. Just seems there are fewer
> > > >societal
> > > > > >> >> > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or maybe
> >just
> > > >more
> > > > > >> >> > > > > opportunities for people to indulge. Being greedy
> >used to
> > > >be
> > > > > >> >> >frowned
> > > > > >> >> > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of our
> > > >"middle
> > > > > >> >class"
> > > > > >> >> > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented
> >society.
> > > >Used to
> > > > > >> >> >be
> > > > > >> >> > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it 'til
> >it
> > > >wears
> > > > > >> >out,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she wore
> >every
> > > >day to
> > > > > >> >high
> > > > > >> >> > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs - think she
> > > >told me
> > > > > >> >there
> > > > > >> >> > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and
> > > >alternated them.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and
> >wealthy
> > > >had more
> > > > > >> >> >than
> > > > > >> >> > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for
> >'best'...the
> > > >old
> > > > > >> >"Sunday
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our
> >"Sunday
> > > >Best"
> > > > > >> >> > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special
> > > >occasions).
> > > > > >> >Today,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and keep on
> > > >buying them
> > > > > >> >> > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country; all
> > > >closely tied
> > > > > >> >> >to
> > > > > >> >> > > > > our entire economic operation - and that operation is
> >now
> > > >closely
> > > > > >> >> > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just
> >reading an
> > > >article
> > > > > >> >> >in
> > > > > >> >> > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas
> > > >decoration or
> > > > > >> >fake
> > > > > >> >> > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if we
> >don't
> > > >buy new
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some poor
> > > >Chinese
> > > > > >> >person
> > > > > >> >> > > > > earning a big $100/month. Sort of an unending circle.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people could
> >only
> > > >get what
> > > > > >> >> > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front; most
> >did
> > > >without.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can get
> > > >about
> > > > > >> >anything
> > > > > >> >> > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're always
> >in
> > > >debt (at
> > > > > >> >> > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of 'stuff'
> >that
> > > >we really
> > > > > >> >> > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of jobs
> >in
> > > >hundreds
> > > > > >> >of
> > > > > >> >> > > > > related industries. If everybody cut back to getting
> >only
> > > >what
> > > > > >> >they
> > > > > >> >> > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over the
> > > >world...
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the greedy
> > > >consumerism
> > > > > >> >> > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards of
> >living
> > > >to more
> > > > > >> >> > > > > people than ever before in the history of mankind.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping up
> > > >people's
> > > > > >> >standard
> > > > > >> >> > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP factor?
> >Can it
> > > >be
> > > > > >> >done?
> > > > > >> >> > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at least put
> > > >some curbs
> > > > > >> >on
> > > > > >> >> > > > > the current trends. The scandals about salaries for
> >the
> > > >big
> > > > > >> >> > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it doesn't
> >just
> > > >fizzle
> > > > > >> >out.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > > > > >> >> > > > > mtalt@hort.net
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> >One
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> > > > > >> >> > > > > ----------
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox over
> >for
> > > >years.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Don't
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil and is
> > > >undermining
> > > > > >> >> > > > > every
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are
> >severely
> > > >messed
> > > > > >> >up.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > The
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off we'll be.
> >But
> > > >try to
> > > > > >> >> > > > > preach
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you have two
> > > >heads or
> > > > > >> >> > > > > sprouted
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband just
> > > >returned from
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Russia
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted kids
> >and
> > > >she told
> > > > > >> >> >me
> > > > > >> >> > > > > most
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions these
> > > >people live
> > > > > >> >> >in.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Even
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack would
> >look
> > > >like a
> > > > > >> >> > > > > palace
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for
> > > >themselves.
> > > > > >> >Might
> > > > > >> >> > > > > wake
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > them up a bit.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > ---------- Original Message
> > > >----------------------------------
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed" became
> >the
> > > >mantra
> > > > > >> >for
> > > > > >> >> > > > > corporate
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >America. I was working in D.C. in a large law firm
> >in
> > > >the late
> > > > > >> >> > > > > 1970's.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One" was on
> >the
> > > >best
> > > > > >> >> >seller
> > > > > >> >> > > > > list and
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large firms.
> >It
> > > >seems to
> > > > > >> >> >me
> > > > > >> >> > > > > that
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on
> >self...what
> > > >one
> > > > > >> >could
> > > > > >> >> > > > > acquire,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses, etc.,
> >buying
> > > >the best
> > > > > >> >> > > > > and
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >bragging on it. Problems of those less fortunate
> > > >didn't
> > > > > >> >concern
> > > > > >> >> > > > > those on
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >this track unless they were directly involved. The
> > > >thought of
> > > > > >> >> > > > > giving back
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >to the community whose structure and principles
> >allowed
> > > >great
> > > > > >> >> > > > > success was
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >completely lost.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >Enough...my soapbox just turned over.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >>
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