Re: still blooming

To: g*@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] still blooming
From: "Kitty" k*@comcast.net
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:14:26 -0500
References: CHEBIFDEABFDOCCJHAPDKENMCBAA.tchessie@comcast.net
oooohhh!  The name is on the tip of my tongue!  I'm gonna have to find it
out.  Anyone wanna help me on this one?
Kitty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] still blooming


> Kitty-
>
> The silver squill you sent me is growing very well.  Seems to be quite
happy
> in its new home and has multiplied.  No blooms this year, but wasn't
> expecting any.  I have some other type of African bulb that is fully in
> bloom right now.  It's a very interesting plant- the blooms look kind of
> like an old fashioned barber's shave cream brush.
>
> Theresa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
> Behalf Of kmrsy@comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:47 AM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: [CHAT] still blooming
>
>
> Pam wrote:
> > BTW - my camellia is blooming, a little early
> > but oh MY!
>
> Well, even the toadlilies got chilled out here, but guess what! My
> Silver Squill, which usually only blooms in the house around February,
> but chose to bloom this summer (in the ground) is now putting out yet
> another round of flowers. These are happy little buggers! and they
> multiply like rabbits.
>
>
> Kitty
> > I wish y'all could see the STACKS of catalogs I have - 2 piles one on
> > each side of the couch, 1 stack at the foot of the couch and 2 more on
> > the coffee table. And I throw 75% of them away at the Post Office when I
> > pick up my mail. Now how scary is THAT?? Fortunately there's no husband
> > here to gripe about it and Sugar doesn't care as long as I keep her
> > favorite nap spots clear. BTW - my camellia is blooming, a little early
> > but oh MY!
> >
> > So beautiful. And YES I'm still watering. Please pray for rain here
> > y'all. The only good news is that all the dandelions are croaking from 6
> > months w/ no measurable rain. Ugh.
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
> > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Date:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:21:02 -0600
> >
> > >That's too funny.  It's the same for me.  I order one stinking thing
from
> an
> > >"organic" catalog...and the next thing I know I'm getting
>
> > >"crunchy-groovy-hippy" catalogs.  My husband SWEARS that I get more
> catalogs
> > >than anybody in the world.  I get one called "The Pyramid Collection"
> that
> > >has all kinds of Pagan stuff in it and my husband just looks at me and
> > >shakes his head....and my kids grab at it like those seagulls on
"Finding
> > >Nemo"..."mine, mine, mine".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > >>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >>To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >>Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> > >>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:08:03 +0000
> > >>
> > >>God help me, I'm on everyone's mailing list!
> > >>
> > >>I get a teak furniture catalogue - I've called and asked to be
removed,
> I
> > >>can'
> > >>afford a teak shish kabob stick! They said they can't take me off.
> > >>
> > >>I get a chef's catalogue - I've called and asked to be removed, I
don't
> > >>cook!
> > >>I get a goth catalogue - who knows why?
> > >>I get some sort of gay men's Italian art catalogue - beat's me!
> > >>I get an artist's catalogue - I can't draw.
>
> > >>I get a Hanes catalogue - I haven't worn pantyhose in at least 5 yrs!
> > >>I get a farm implement catalogue - yeah, my lot is 60x120'.
> > >>And yes, not long ago I got some sort of pagan/satan/witch catalogue -
> > >>pretty
> > >>interesting, but I can't even guess how I got on their list.
> > >>
> > >>Kitty
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I love to read those T-shirts
> > >> > And where, dear lady, did you see the "sister" shirt?  Nothern Sun?
> Are
> > >>you
> > >> > one of those "Born Again Pagans"?   LOL
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for the seeds and plant info too.  Very much appreciated!
> > >> >
> > >> > Jesse Rene' Bell
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > >> > >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: t-shirts
> > >> > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:15:52 +0000
> > >> > >
> > >> > >I thought that would be the one you'd ordered.  I've seen the
> 'sister'
> > >> > >shirt, too.  what a riot!
> > >> > >Kitty
> > >> > > > The - Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic. With
> all
> > >>the
>
> > >> > > > stress we're under at work now - we need the humor!! I'm
wearing
> my
> > >>- I
> > >> > > > haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister -
shirt
> > >>today.
> > >> > > > That was special requested yesterday - LOL.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > >> > > > From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > >> > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > > > Date:  Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:36:41 +0000
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >Pam,
> > >> > > > >I only mentioned it on this list. The catalogue was mailed out
> > >> > >recently,
> > >> > > > >so the shortage is either due to people ordering from the
> catalogue
> > >>or
> > >> > > > >because they wait to see how many orders they get from the
> > >>catalogue
> > >> > > > >before they place their orders to their suppliers. Which one
did
> > >>you
> > >> > > > >order?
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >I would love to get the Christmas Story Leg Lamp as a joke for
> my
> > >> > >niece, but it
> > >> > > > is far too expensive for just a joke.
> > >> > > > >
>
> > >> > > > >Kitty
> > >> > > > >> Kitty - how many people did you tell about those T-shirts
from
> > >>What
> > >> > >On
> > >> > > > >> Earth? They're on back order due to unanticipated demand!!
> What a
> > >> > > > >> scream. I ordered one for my boss too - he's got a birthday
> > >>coming
> > >> > >up.
> > >> > > > >> Can't wait to get mine.
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> ---------- Original
Message ----------------------------------
> > >> > > > >> From: "Theresa" <tchessie@comcast.net>
> > >> > > > >> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > > > >> Date:  Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:39:53 -0800
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> >Perfect Kitty- thanks for sharing!
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> >Theresa
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> > > > >> >From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> > >>[o*@hort.net]On
> > >> > > > >> >Behalf Of kmrsy@comcast.net
> > >> > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:01 AM
> > >> > > > >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > > > >> >Subject: RE: [CHAT] news of the day: hyrid cars
>
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> >For those of you who do not get the comic, Non Sequitur, in
> your
> > >> > >local
> > >> > > > >> >paper, or who don't read comics (???) check this one out -
it
> > >> > >applies to
> > >> > > > >> >much of what we've been discussing:
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> >http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> >If you are reading this message after Nov 11, click the
> calendar
> > >>on
> > >> > >the
> > >> > > > >> >above page to see the strip for Nov 11.
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> >Kitty
> > >> > > > >> >> Speaking of cars- we were car shopping today=  My
husbands
> 91
> > >> > >Civic is on
> > >> > > > >> >> it's last leg.  The new hybrid Civic is very cool-  51
mpg
> and
> > >> > >very peppy
> > >> > > > >> >> and comfortable.  You don't even need to plug it in ever.
> > >>It's so
> > >> > >quiet
> > >> > > > >> >> too....  I'm pushing for this one as a replacement.
> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> >> Theresa
> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> > >> > > > >> >> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > >[o*@hort.net]On
> > >> > > > >> >> Behalf Of Jesse Bell
> > >> > > > >> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:58 AM
> > >> > > > >> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> >> Man...I've been reading these e-mails....and ya'll just
> don't
> > >> > >know.  Pam
> > >> > > > >> >> does though.  I'm just about ready to sell everything I
> have
> > >>and
> > >> > >live in a
> > >> > > > >> >> shoebox somewhere.  People (my husband) create their own
> > >>stress.
> > >> > >House
> > >> > > > >> >> payment too high?  Sell it.  Car payments getting you
down?
> > >>Buy
> > >> > >something
> > >> > > > >> >> more reasonable.  When my husband started oogling
Humvee's
> I
> > >>lost
> > >> > >it and
> > >> > > > >> >put
> > >> > > > >> >> my foot down.  I said, "they are a gross display of
> American
> > >>greed
> > >> > >and
> > >> > > > >> >> one-upsmanship....look at me, look at me...my truck is
> bigger
> > >>than
> > >> > >your
>
> > >> > > > >> >> truck!"  He looked shocked that I would feel this way.
> Does
> > >>any
> > >> > >person
> > >> > > > >> >need
> > >> > > > >> >> what was formerly an army vehicle to drive to work and
> back.
> > >>NO.
> > >> > >I told
> > >> > > > >> >> him he better not bring one of them home either.  I'm
> looking
> > >>at a
> > >> > > > >> >> turbo-diesel Volkswagen that gets great gas mileage...and
> he's
> > >> > >looking at
> > >> > > > >> >a
> > >> > > > >> >> Hummer.  PULeeeze.
> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > > > >> >> >From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> > >> > > > >> >> >Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > > > >> >> >To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > > > >> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > >> > > > >> >> >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:48:20 +0000
> > >> > > > >> >> >
> > >> > > > >> >> >People buy what is available. If auto mfgs were required
> to
> > >>build
> > >> > >more
> > >> > > > >> >> >fuel efficient/alternative fuel cars, that's what people
> > >>would
> > >> > >buy. And,
>
> > >> > > > >> >> >as Marge said, when we stop buying things, it affects
> > >>someone's
> > >> > >income.
> > >> > > > >> >> >I know this doesn't apply to all 'things', but it's a
> start.
> > >> > > > >> >> >
> > >> > > > >> >> >
> > >> > > > >> >> >Regardless, I don't know how you'd go about changing
> peoples
> > >> > >proclivity
> > >> > > > >> >> >for shopping. Tighter restrictions perhaps on credit
cards
> > >>and
> > >> > > > >> >> >bankruptcy laws.
> > >> > > > >> >> >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > But most of these products require an oil-based
> > >>economy...and
> > >> > >when we
> > >> > > > >> >> >buy
> > >> > > > >> >> > > lots of things...we continue to fuel it.  If a
> significant
> > >> > >part of the
> > >> > > > >> >> > > society stopped fueling it, those at the top would
have
> to
> > >> > >change
> > >> > > > >> >their
> > >> > > > >> >> > > strategy.
> > >> > > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> > >> > > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > [Original Message]
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > Date: 11/10/2003 6:09:32 AM
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] news of the day
> > >> > > > >> >> > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > Marge,
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > I agree with most of what you said regarding greed,
> > >>though I
> > >> > >see the
> > >> > > > >> >> > > value of a well-controlled credit card.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > I don't so much have problems with the kind of
greed
> > >>that
> > >> > >wants too
> > >> > > > >> >> >many
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > clothes or tv sets, but with greed by those who run
> the
> > >> > >show. They
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > inisist on an oil based economy no matter who or
what
> it
> > >> > >hurts
> > >> > > > >> >because
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > they are heavily invested in it. Alternatives
already
> > >>exist
> > >> > >or can
> > >> > > > >> >be
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > developed, but they refuse to go that route and
> they're
> > >>big
> > >> > >enough
> > >> > > > >> >to
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > get their way.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > Kitty
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Well, Pam, I think greed has been with the human
> race
> > >> > >since we
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > started walking upright.  Just seems there are
> fewer
> > >> > >societal
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > restraints on it now than there used to be - or
> maybe
> > >>just
> > >> > >more
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > opportunities for people to indulge.  Being
greedy
> > >>used to
> > >> > >be
> > >> > > > >> >> >frowned
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > upon; now it seems to be the norm.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > I also think that the relative wealth and size of
> our
> > >> > >"middle
> > >> > > > >> >class"
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > encourages greed - as does our consumer oriented
> > >>society.
> > >> > >Used to
> > >> > > > >> >> >be
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > - for the vast majority of people - that ' use it
> 'til
> > >>it
> > >> > >wears
> > >> > > > >> >out,
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > then do without' was how things worked.
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > During the depression, my Mom had 1 dress she
wore
> > >>every
> > >> > >day to
> > >> > > > >> >high
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > school - it had removable collar and cuffs -
think
> she
> > >> > >told me
> > >> > > > >> >there
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > were 2 sets - she washed them out every night and
> > >> > >alternated them.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Before her time, few but the upper classes and
> > >>wealthy
> > >> > >had more
> > >> > > > >> >> >than
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > one garment for every day wear and one for
> > >>'best'...the
> > >> > >old
> > >> > > > >> >"Sunday
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Best" (even when I was a child, we still had our
> > >>"Sunday
> > >> > >Best"
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > outfit; worn only on Sunday or for very special
> > >> > >occasions).
> > >> > > > >> >Today,
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > people have closets bursting with clothes and
keep
> on
> > >> > >buying them
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > although what they have is perfectly good.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Now, we have a throwaway society in this country;
> all
> > >> > >closely tied
> > >> > > > >> >> >to
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > our entire economic operation - and that
operation
> is
> > >>now
> > >> > >closely
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > knit to the rest of the world economy; was just
> > >>reading an
> > >> > >article
> > >> > > > >> >> >in
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > the paper today about how almost every Christmas
> > >> > >decoration or
> > >> > > > >> >fake
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > tree sold here in the US is made in China; so if
we
> > >>don't
> > >> > >buy new
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Christmas goodies, it now adversely affects some
> poor
> > >> > >Chinese
> > >> > > > >> >person
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > earning a big $100/month.  Sort of an unending
> circle.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > When society operated on a cash basis, people
could
> > >>only
> > >> > >get what
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > they could actually afford to pay for up front;
> most
> > >>did
> > >> > >without.
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Once we got a credit based society, everybody can
> get
> > >> > >about
> > >> > > > >> >anything
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > if they have plastic and people do...so we're
> always
> > >>in
> > >> > >debt (at
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > least a lot are) while accumulating lots of
'stuff'
> > >>that
> > >> > >we really
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > don't actually need, but providing thousands of
> jobs
> > >>in
> > >> > >hundreds
> > >> > > > >> >of
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > related industries.  If everybody cut back to
> getting
> > >>only
> > >> > >what
> > >> > > > >> >they
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > needed; millions would be out of work all over
the
> > >> > >world...
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > The reverse side of this coin is that all the
> greedy
> > >> > >consumerism
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > provides better paying jobs and higher standards
of
> > >>living
> > >> > >to more
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > people than ever before in the history of
mankind.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > So, how do you strike a happy medium....keeping
up
> > >> > >people's
> > >> > > > >> >standard
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > of living but eliminating the greed as SOP
factor?
> > >>Can it
> > >> > >be
> > >> > > > >> >done?
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > I would hope that we - as a society - can at
least
> put
> > >> > >some curbs
> > >> > > > >> >on
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > the current trends.  The scandals about salaries
> for
> > >>the
> > >> > >big
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > corporation CEO's is a small start - if it
doesn't
> > >>just
> > >> > >fizzle
> > >> > > > >> >out.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > mtalt@hort.net
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Editor:  Gardening in Shade
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > -----------------------------------------------
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Current Article: Variegation on the Green Theme -
> Part
> > >>One
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > All Suite101.com garden topics :
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > http://www.suite101.com/topics.cfm/635
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > ----------
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > From: Pamela J. Evans
<gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > Bonnie & Marge, I've been turning that soapbox
> over
> > >>for
> > >> > >years.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Don't
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > understand greed, never have, but it is evil
and
> is
> > >> > >undermining
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > every
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > society it touches. Priorities these days are
> > >>severely
> > >> > >messed
> > >> > > > >> >up.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > The
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > sooner ALL get hip to that, the better off
we'll
> be.
> > >>But
> > >> > >try to
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > preach
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > that sermon and people look at you like you
have
> two
> > >> > >heads or
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > sprouted
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > horns or something. My cousin and her husband
> just
> > >> > >returned from
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Russia
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > where they were picking up their newly adopted
> kids
> > >>and
> > >> > >she told
> > >> > > > >> >> >me
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > most
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > Americans would be appalled at the conditions
> these
> > >> > >people live
> > >> > > > >> >> >in.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > Even
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > as simply as I live, my little cottage/shack
> would
> > >>look
> > >> > >like a
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > palace
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > over there. Wish more people could see that for
> > >> > >themselves.
> > >> > > > >> >Might
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > wake
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > them up a bit.
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > I can dream, can't I?
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > ---------- Original Message
> > >> > >----------------------------------
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > Date:  Sat, 8 Nov 2003 07:31:44 -0800
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >In my mind I can point to the time "greed"
> became
> > >>the
> > >> > >mantra
> > >> > > > >> >for
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > corporate
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >America.  I was working in D.C. in a large law
> firm
> > >>in
> > >> > >the late
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > 1970's.
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number One"
was
> on
> > >>the
> > >> > >best
> > >> > > > >> >> >seller
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > list and
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >required reading for managers of many large
> firms.
> > >>It
> > >> > >seems to
> > >> > > > >> >> >me
>
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > that
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >from that point forward the emphasis was on
> > >>self...what
> > >> > >one
> > >> > > > >> >could
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > acquire,
> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >how much one could spend on cars, houses,
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> > >>buying
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