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Re: Re: election

Absolutely David - very lucid, clear and insightful comments.  Nicely done.

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Haskell
Sent: 11/5/2004 8:06:15 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] election

I'll second that; very well said indeed.  From the other side of the fence
(moderate Republican/ former liberal), I think you make some very good and
important points.  Thanks for your well-reasoned and thoughtful comments.

                                             Josh Haskell
                                             Zone 5 -- Ohio

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lynda Young" <lyoung@grindertaber.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] election

> Bravo, David!!  Well said.
> Lynda
> Zone 7 - West TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of David Franzman
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 12:38 AM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: [CHAT] election
> Hi guys
> Well this election was a disappointment for me as well.  Much of the
> fault has to be layed at the feet of the campaigner.  Kerry was terrible
> and probably deserved to lose.  I too am fearful of the future more so
> for the Supreme Court selections than for what Bush will do in the next
> four years.  I hope he doesn't use his "mandate" to select extremist
> judges or we will be paying for this election for a very long time.
> The reason I'm writing this is not to predict doom and gloom for the
> future. I fear political extremes of any type right or left.  I would
> not like to live under an exteme left politician any more than I would a
> rightest.  Leftist (I don't use the word liberal because using that term
> as deragatory is silly. Thomas Jefferson was liberal as were many of our
> founding fathers.  If they weren't we'd still be living under a king)
> tend to tell others how to live their lives as they think they know
> better what is right and wrong.  I can't stand government as big brother
> any more than I like unfettered conservatism. However this country's
> political make up seems to be extremes either right or left.  There is
> no compromise anymore which is the essence of politics.
> We have become so intransigient in this country with nobody caring what
> is said or what facts are presented.  We simply will not back down from
> even an indefensible position.  Like those who say that there is no such
> thing as evolution and that the earth began 10,000 years ago.  Or that
> it's ok to spray somebody with paint because they are wearing a fur
> coat.  Both of these things, from opposite sides of the political
> spectrum, are ridiculous and yet adherents will justify their beliefs
> and actions.  We will never move forward as a nation as long as people
> live in proverbial trenches.  At some point we have to say "what is best
> for the country and not just my narrow interests". We seem to have lost
> our way and we must fix it.  Yes, my side lost this election but that
> doesn't mean the end of the world.  What it does mean is that we didn't
> deliver our message very well but it will be better for ourselves and
> our country if we remain engaged.  We can work with others who don't
> agree with us by being polite and empathetic to their feelings.  The
> people who voted the opposite way are not blind, deaf and dumb.  They
> simply see things we don't or don't put as much faith in.  That doesn't
> make them wrong.  They are still our neighbor and our fellow countryman
> and their opinion is just as valuable as ours.  Perhaps if we take the
> time to listen to each other instead of just thinking of our next point
> we might find we are closer to each other than we think.
> Lastly to make this point stronger.  Ever since the late 70's or so we
> have been the generation of greed.  It really is time to start thinking
> of the greater good instead of just ourselves.  This includes business,
> economics, social and cultural issues.  We are so self absorbed now that
> people rarely donate their time or energy into anything except their own
> hedonistic activities.  The more we talk and the more we do things with
> and for others the faster we'll heal and the better we'll all be.
> Republicans congratulations.  You won.  You now have the honor of
> leading our country.  Lead well please my kids are counting on you.
> DF
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