Re: Re: Re: Armadillos/leprosy

I also think it's funny that the English called it "Spanish or French
pox" and the French called it "English pox". I guess whoever you were
mad at got the blame.


Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Bonnie Holmes
Sent: 11/19/2004 8:34:20 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Armadillos/leprosy

In the middle ages, sex was considered a minor sin by the Church.  It was
elevated to moral when syphilis became a major health problem.
Bonnie Zone 7 ETN


> [Original Message]
> From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 11/19/2004 7:39:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Armadillos/leprosy
>
> Capone did, didn't know about Henry VIII, not that it surprises me much.
>
> Pam Evans
> Kemp, TX
> zone 8A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cathy Carpenter
> Sent: 11/19/2004 6:22:15 PM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Armadillos/leprosy
>
> Have no idea. But I think Henry VIII did.
> Cathy
> On Friday, November 19, 2004, at 03:00 PM, ""  
> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:
>
> > Didn't Al Capone die of tertiary syphilis?
> >
> > Pam Evans
> > Kemp, TX
> > zone 8A
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cathy Carpenter
> > Sent: 11/19/2004 7:08:49 AM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Armadillos/leprosy
> >
> > Actually, it was probably a label applied to a number of skin diseases
> > and other dermatologic conditions: anything that would produce sores
> > and/ or skin disfigurement that persisted.
> > Aside from the initial (primary) lesion, and the diffuse rash of
> > secondary syphilis, that disease doesn't really manifest
> > dermatologically, though it was much more serious (i.e. deadly) in its
> > first two stages some 500+ years ago (smallpox was called "small"
> > because syphilis was considered the "great" pox). Speculation is that
> > the causitive organism (Treponema pallidum) mutated back then to
> > something with less severe initial symptoms, retaining its real whammy
> > for the neurological effects of its third stage.
> > Probably more than you want to know....but I love trivia.
> > Cathy
> > On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 04:22 PM, james singer wrote:
> >
> >> Syphilis comes to mind. What else?
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 08:39 AM, Cathy Carpenter wrote:
> >>
> >>> And most of what was described in the Bible as leprosy was probably
> >>> something else.
> >>> Cathy
> >>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Judy L Browning wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Leprosy is now called Hanson's disease in research, etc. There is
> >>>> treatment
> >>>> to clear the bacteria from the body. I heard an interesting
> >>>> reference to it
> >>>> a few days ago. Seems the rotting flesh, loss of body parts etc.
> >>>> associated
> >>>> with the disease is not directly caused by the bacteria. Loss of  
> >>>> pain
> >>>> sensation from nerve damage is the real culprit. Without pain to let
> >>>> the
> >>>> person know they have a cut or even a broken bone, the damaged area
> >>>> easily
> >>>> becomes infected and that secondary infection is the cause of the
> >>>> terrible
> >>>> disfiguring that caused such horror of the disease.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> >>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:33 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Armadillos/leprosy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for that clarification Cathy but it leads me to another
> >>>>> question
> >>>>> about leprosy.  We know of the leper colonies of Hawaii...I think
> >>>>> it was
> >>>>> Molokai...but we never hear of the disease anymore at least I
> >>>>> don't.  Is
> >>>> it
> >>>>> now treatable and why don't we hear of it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> DF
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Cathy Carpenter" <cathy.c@insightbb.com>
> >>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:13 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Armadillos
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Just had to set the record straight on armadillos and leprosy.  
> >>>>>> Yes,
> >>>>>> armadillos, because of their low body temperature, have been used
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> culture Mycobacterium leprae (Leprosy is caused by a bacterium,
> >>>>>> related
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> the bacteria that causes tuberculosis, not a virus). Because the
> >>>> bacterium
> >>>>>> has not been able to be grown in artificial culture, the sole
> >>>>>> source of
> >>>>>> the germ for study has been the nine banded armadillo (and mice).
> >>>>>> Yes
> >>>>>> there has been a lot of "buzz" on the possible transmission of the
> >>>>>> bacterium from the armadillo to humans, but to my knowledge, the
> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>> documented transmission has been related to oral consumption of
> >>>>>> undercooked armadillo meat. Leprosy, despite its horrendous
> >>>>>> biblical
> >>>>>> reputation (most of which was not related to the disease), is very
> >>>>>> difficult to contract. There is documented evidence that people
> >>>>>> have
> >>>> lived
> >>>>>> for years in close proximity (ie. marriage) to people with the
> >>>>>> disease
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> have never "caught" it. The lowly nine banded armadillo should be
> >>>>>> recipient of our gratitude rather than our prejudice...at least as
> >>>>>> far
> >>>> as
> >>>>>> health research is concerned.
> >>>>>> Cathy
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2004, at 09:35 AM, Jesse Bell wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I truly do not like armadillos. Did you know they carry the
> >>>>>>> leprosy
> >>>>>>> virus? And they do jump...and squeak...and they don't see well at
> >>>>>>> night
> >>>>>>> (that's why you see so many dead ones on the road). When I chased
> >>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>> with a broom (in New Orleans) and yelled at it...it jumped up and
> >>>>>>> came
> >>>>>>> running after me. I screamed and ran. Ick. Hate 'em. The short
> >>>>>>> one is
> >>>>>>> braver than me..that's for sure.
> >>>>>>
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