Re: Ben Franklin quote?

Thanks Josh, it was Ben Franklin, wasn't it?  Always loved that quote!

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Haskell
Sent: 10/1/2004 10:43:46 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Just a test

Pam,

        Close: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Just a test


> Didn't Ben Franklin say that people willing to sacrifice some liberty to
> obtain security will get neither?? Something like that - correct me if I
> misquote. Running fever you know.
>
>
> Pam Evans
> Kemp, TX
> zone 8A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marge Talt
> Sent: 10/1/2004 1:31:48 AM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Just a test
>
> Correct David.  I think that most people have been lulled into a
> false sense of security in this country re: our civil liberties.
> We've (well most of us)  always had them so have no idea that they
> could disappear in a flash...or be eroded away as is now happening.
> Only those who have come from totalitarian countries to this one
> realize what living without guaranteed civil liberties is like and
> most of them probably are afraid to speak up.
>
> Scary times, these...and I'm not really referring to 'terrorist'
> activity.
>
> Did you use the bags?
>
> Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> mtalt@hort.net
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> > From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > Remember Marge, that as we lose most if not of our civil liberties
> that
> > security is the most important thing in most folks lives.  It must
> be
> > because most people don't say a peep.  Then when some brave soul
> does they
> > are shot down as having something to hide or just plain unAmerican.
>  Soon,
> > if you don't believe that "What is good for G.M. is good for
> America" you
> > will be labeled a rabble rouser or worse and imprisoned.
> >
> > DF  (Preparing for the debate.  Barf bags are handy)
>
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