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[GWL]: Authorship, bylines, copyrights
Margaret Lauterbach wrote:
> Seems to me that you copyright exact wording. Someone else can use your
>
> idea and rephrase it in their own words, and it's not a violation of
> copyright. If an editor changes some words, eliminates others, etc.,
> he/she has changed the wording so someone else may copyright it. That's
> my
> opinion, anyway. Margaret L
Margaret, you raise an additional interesting and related issue here.
However, Nan's editor was not claiming her story as an original work
written by him under his byline simply because he edited it. He was
simply claiming to own the copyright to her original story (under her
byline) because he edited it.
Editing does not create an ownership position in the work unless it is
so extensive that the story is basically coauthored by the original
author and the editor. In that case, the contract should show two
authors and two names on the byline, and the copyright would be joint.
It is true that one cannot copyright ideas. It is both the general and
exact wording of an article that is copyrighted, though. If I write a
story, another writer can read my story, then write his own story based
upon mine, under his own byline. If he absorbs my info and story and
then sets it aside and writes his own, in his own words and style, this
is legal. He owns the copyright because he wrote his article. It is
legal even if 100% of the ideas and facts for his article came from
mine. It isn't very original, but it is legal.
If, instead, this copycat author mostly uses my writing and just alters
it somewhat, that is plagiarism. He could omit and add various
sentences and modify every sentence somewhat, even add and delete whole
paragraphs, and it would still be plagiarism. Generally, an edited
manuscript would resemble the original enough so that anyone could tell
that the one was derived from the other, and that the two are
essentially the same expression of the art of writing that article. If
someone tried to claim such a modified document as his own work, he
would be plagiarizing.
There is a corresponding situation for patents that adds a useful
perspective. Alterations and improvements to someone else's patents
have legal standing. If I create an improvement, I can patent the
improvement. But I don't own and have no rights to the original
invention just because I patented an improvement. So I can't
manufacture my improved version unless I can liscense rights from the
owner of the underlying basic patent. However, my improvement is
patented and has legal standing. No one can use my improvement just
because he owns or has liscensed the basic invention.
It occurs to me that there is actually a philosophical hole in copyright
law. There is no legal standing for improvements on a piece of writing
unless the writing is public domain, or unless you make specific
arrangements with the author. This is not a large oversight if the
changes are minor, but changes can be massive, too. I was actually
involved in such a situation once. I had written an SF story that
wasn't strong enough to sell. (It got turned down everywhere, so I
knew.) Another writer, Lee Wallingford, a fellow workshop participant,
got turned on by the story, but had a completely different and more
interesting idea about the protagonist. So she and I made a deal. She
rewrote my story, I rewrote her rewrite, etc., until we had a story that
was ultimately published in Asimov's SF Magazine under a joint byline.
But we agreed to that arrangement ahead of time. She would not have
been able to do anything useful with an improvement to my story without
my cooperation, even though, in this case, the improvements were
massive. Improvement, editing, and rewriting of literary works doesn't
have any legal standing. Kind of interesting.
If a work is public domain, you can copyright a new version of it. You
then have rights to your version (only).
Some magazine stories are rewritten so extensively by the editors that
for all practical purposes, the editors are the real authors. In most
cases, the person who proposed the story gets the byline and legal
ownership anyway. Editors who pay top dollar for stories tend to expect
the stories to come in half-way workable. But many editors can't pay as
much, or work with authors who aren't professional writers. Often such
editors are the "real" authors of many of the stories in their
magazines. Bylines can be somewhat mythical in meaning.
Some bylines are more honarary than anything else. An editor may pay a
well-know person to "write" a story about a given topic. Then the
editor takes the information and writes the story from scratch, using
the well-know person's information and byline. The well-known person is
not the "real" author, but actually gets both the legal ownership of the
article and the byline for the story -- a story written entirely by
someone else.
There are enough stories under freelance bylines that are "really"
written mostly by the editors so that most editors have a seriously
cynical view about credits or clips. Most editors really do not believe
you are going to write them a good story that they can use without
heroic additional writing or editing effort until you actually do it for
them. (Or unless they know some other editor you have worked with and
have talked with him about you.)
Legally, we define the legitimate author as the one who writes the
story. But where original information is involved, sometimes the
correct "morally right" author is the one who did the work being
described in the story, who may not be the same as the one who wrote it.
In the scientific community, for example, valid authorship is supposed
to reflect who thought of the work and/or who did it, and may or may not
always reflect who wrote the paper.
Carol Deppe
Author of BREED YOUR OWN VEGETABLE VARIETIES: THE GARDENER'S AND
FARMER'S GUIDE TO PLANT BREEDING AND SEED SAVING (See table of contents,
excerpts, & reviews at http://www.chelseagreen.com.)
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