Re: gardenwriters Digest, Vol 102, Issue 3

**J* L* <j*@gardener.com>**

Duane,
Roundup has had 35 years of responses.....the time has run out.

Teaming,

Jeff

Plant A Row For The Hungry...and read "TEAMING WITH MICROBES: THE ORGANIC GARDENER'S GUIDE TO THE SOIL FOOD WEB." 

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>   4. Re: Enforcing copyrights, at home and abroad (Molly Day)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 19:41:08 -0400
> From: "Duane Campbell" <dcamp911@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Re RoundUp? and a rant
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> I'm wondering whether anyone has read Monsanto's response to this report 
> before chiming in. Or the report itself. Or looked into Open Source Earth, 
> admittedly difficult because they've taken their web site down.
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> Frankly when an organization with a history of anti-chemical 
> back-to-the-earth campaigning comes out with a report claiming that numerous 
> governmental and quasi-governmental organizations with general 
> anti-chemical, anti-GM, anti-business tilts have been hiding evidence of the 
> dangers of a chemical herbicide, I am suspicious.
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> So to answer the question, yes, I still suggest the use of glyphosate with 
> appropriate cautions, among which is the admonition that they shouldn't 
> drink it when pregnant.
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> Duane Campbell
> Syndicated garden columnist
> Author: Best of Green Space; 30 Years of Composted Columns 
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> From: "MKMackey1@aol.com" <mkmackey1@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Roundup Use
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> Years ago, I had deformed lilies come up in the same bed where I had carefully carefully dipped the fiddle heads of bracken fern in Round Up. The bracken fern died, but the look of those lilies--which were not particularly near the bracken--was enough to swear me off the stuff, even before all this testing came out. 
> I don't believe anyone has mentioned propane burners as another weapon in the weed-war arsenal. A few applications of fire--full sun summer heat helps here too--has taken out deep-rooted plants in my gravel driveway where I couldn't possibly dig them up.
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> From: "Duane Campbell" <dcamp911@gmail.com>
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>> Years ago, I had deformed lilies come up in the same bed where I had 
>> carefully carefully dipped the fiddle heads of bracken fern in Round Up. 
>> The bracken fern died, but the look of those lilies--which >were not 
>> particularly near the bracken--was enough to swear me off the stuff
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> I have a 30 foot row of lilies, six foot Easter lilies originally dating 
> back to about 1950, now in glorious bloom and perfuming the neighborhood. 
> Nearly every year one, occasionally two, come up deformed but look fine the 
> following year. I have never used Roundup anywhere near them.
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> Duane Campbell
> Syndicated garden columnist
> Author: Best of Green Space; 30 Years of Composted Columns 
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 20:06:52 -0500
> From: Molly Day <mollyday1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Enforcing copyrights, at home and abroad
> To: "Christopher P. Lindsey" <lindsey@hort.net>,    Garden Writers --
>    GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum    <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I see my photos everywhere on the Internet. Some photographers and garden
> writers/bloggers imbed their copywrite or name into every image.
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> You can send a request that they take it down if you have the time.
> Martha in Muskogee OK
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> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey@hort.net>wrote:
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>> A few weeks ago I started going through my photos with TinEye,
>> a commercial service that lets you search for copies of your
>> photos online (up to 50 photos/day can be searched for free).
>> 
>> I found one photo and sent my very first DMCA takedown notice
>> today (I was loathe to do so, but they didn't respond to
>> emails and their site said that they only responded to DMCA
>> notices).  Then I started using Google's image search [1] at
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>>  http://images.google.com/
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>> and found a lot more!
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>> I'm shocked and saddened by the number of images that have been
>> stolen from the hort.net image gallery, and I'm wondering if
>> it's worth pursuing.  Some are being used by small Mom & Pop
>> nurseries, others are in blogs, and yet others are on foreign
>> sites that copy entire articles with some sort of weird synonym
>> replacement.
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>> My question is this:  Are these worth pursuing?  If you find
>> that a photo has been stolen by a nursery, do you pursue it?  I
>> feel for them, especially in difficult economic times.  Am I
>> losing revenue because they stole the photo?  I'm not sure.
>> 
>> Then the foreign sites are an even more complicated matter since
>> US copyright laws don't apply there.  At what point do you just
>> say, "I give up?"
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>> I'm curious what the writers and photographers out there think
>> about this.
>> 
>> Chris
>> www.hort.net
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>> [1] For those of you unfamiliar with the Google image search, I
>> think it works better than TinEye.  Go to http://images.google.com/
>> and click on the camera icon to the right of the toolbar.  Then
>> paste in a URL for your photo and it will find any matching
>> photos on the Internet.
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 21:28:44 -0400
> From: ealicata@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Enforcing copyrights, at home and abroad
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> I don't make even a tiny part of it from my photographs and I don't want to spend the negative energy it would take to track down those who might be stealing them.
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> In addition, I really dislike the look of the embedded signatures. To me, it ruins the look of the photos. So I guess my answer is not just "I give up," but also "I don't care." I do totally understand why others would feel differently, however.
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> Elizabeth Licata 
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 21:31:44 -0400
> From: ealicata@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Enforcing copyrights, at home and abroad
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> Correction--I meant I don't make a tiny part of my living ... 
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> Elizabeth
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> On Jul 1, 2011, at 9:28 PM, ealicata@yahoo.com wrote:
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>> I don't make even a tiny part of it from my photographs and I don't want to spend the negative energy it would take to track down those who might be stealing them.
>> 
>> In addition, I really dislike the look of the embedded signatures. To me, it ruins the look of the photos. So I guess my answer is not just "I give up," but also "I don't care." I do totally understand why others would feel differently, however.
>> 
>> Elizabeth Licata 
>> sent via mobile device
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