Re: Those feisty Canadians

**"* H* <h*@erols.com>**

Wow, color me naive but I've been quoting various listservs for years and 
have never seen it raised as an issue.  I just assumed that any listserv 
with open membership is, well, open. But I certainly see your point and will 
remove the article in question, or at least remove the names and quotes, and 
not do it again.  Sorry about that. Susan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Green" <d.green@xplornet.com>
To: "Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum" 
<gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [GWL] Those feisty Canadians


> As a final note to this topic, Susan Harris (a list member) wrote this
> bit on the popular blog Garden Rant
>
> http://www.gardenrant.com/my_weblog/2007/06/gardenwriters_a.html
>
> My point in bringing this to your attention is to point out that
> comments on this listserv are now being put into the public domain and
> commented on there.  This is no longer a private listserv.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-04-06 at 08:17 -0400, frielster@aol.com wrote:
>> See what I mean? I'm tellin' ya, we're fencing the wrong border!
>> Doug, I salute your bilingual gardening abilities. Perhaps you could pen 
>> an informative monograph on which language is most effective when used to 
>> swear at specific plants or pests. I find that Japanese beetles are not 
>> moved by English or Spanish, while Swiss chard understands a host of 
>> tongues and even dialects. We need a massive binational grant to study 
>> this issue.
>> But seriously, folks... Guilty as charged, Doug. After years of training, 
>> Marketers can
>> indeed think out of both sides of our brains just as Canadians can garden 
>> in
>> two languages. Pulling new plants through to market is not
>> your job. Your duties are to your employer/publisher and your reader.
>> Marketing is my gig. But I can't tell all your readers how good Achillea 
>> 'Strawberry Seduction' is. They need to hear it from you.
>> I'll cheerfully buy you a brew when our paths cross again. It doesn't 
>> have to be a Molson, does it?
>> JF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doug Green <d.green@xplornet.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 7:24 am
>> Subject: Re: [GWL] Those cantankerous Canadians
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2007-02-06 at 08:05 -0400, FRIELSTER@aol.com wrote:
>> > Kirk, Doug,
>> > it may not seem possible but I agree with both of you.
>>
>> Oh- oh - another marketer that can think out of both sides of the brain
>> at the same time. ;-)
>>
>>
>> > A good garden writer is or should be the best conduit of information on
>> > plants, new and otherwise, to his or her audience. Introducing them to 
>> > new
>> > varieties is a shared pleasure. Kirk's right.
>>
>> And I don't disagree - as you'll see from my previous note.  I love
>> describing new plants and growing them.  I simply don't see my role as a
>> pull marketer for any gardening company.  My role is for my readers or
>> those paying the bills.  As for new plants, hang on until you see the
>> launch of the new website features.
>>
>>
>> > A wise garden writer does not breathlessly tout plants that he or she 
>> > has
>> > not tried or at least seen growing. The urge to be first to show off 
>> > the
>> latest
>> > stuff is a dangerous one. Doug's right.
>>
>> OK!  Doug gets one point from JF.  Yes!!! made my Monday morning, I can
>> breathe safely the rest of the week.  There is a gawd in heaven this
>> morning. LOL!
>>
>>
>> > I work for a large company that introduces lots of new plants. We love 
>> > to
>> > see our stuff praised by garden writers. But we always have to bear in 
>> > mind
>> that
>> >  a garden writer's credibility is his or her most valuable asset.
>> > The members of this list, and/or the GWA, have to do a great job of
>> > informing and entertaining. If your stuff fulfills only one of those
>> functions,  it
>> > will eventually cease to be read.
>> > JF
>>
>> No problem here JF.
>>
>> Now.  About the subject line. "cantankerous?"  Jeez - you take a day off
>> to visit the neighbouring country (note spelling svp) to the South and
>> you come back to find yourself and your nation (note plural) described
>> as "cantakerous"  Collins defines this as "irascible" and "quarrelsome".
>> John, surely you jest.  We are a nation of peaceful plant-lovers. Able
>> to garden in two official languages. Our historical role has to been to
>> take care of the guarrelsome nature of other countries who don't garden
>> as much as we do and insist on imposing their gardening views on other
>> parts of the world.  Incroyable! That such a slur should be visited on
>> all of us gentle gardening souls by a double-brained marketer.
>>
>> Jacques, this is going to cost you yet another biere by way of apology.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> who has to write his newspaper column and radio show about plant
>> performance in his garden.
>>
>> -- 
>> Doug Green
>> Internet Publishing for the Garden
>>
>>
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