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Re: examples of trademark name or registered names


I agree Jems - too much information confuses the reader. Ask any  
garden center in my area for
for Radcor/Knockout and they will send you packing.

Nancy Szerlag
On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:11 PM, jo ellen meyers sharp wrote:

> I say all this is well and good, but it's really difficult to get
> publications to follow the preferred way of showing scientific names
> -- Italics, or plant cultivars in single quotes. Many don't want to 
> use the scientific names let alone the name in Italics. Each pub's
> style seems to have it's own notion of how that should be done. At
> the top of every garden article I file, I put this header:
>
> Editor - this is the (article slug) for (date). Scientific names are
> in Italics; cultivar names have single quotes.
>
> I've found many publications will follow this for text, but when it
> comes to cutlines, it becomes more difficult because of the various
> ways, or styles, publications do cutlines. We also seem to run into
> resistance to all the trademark (TM) or (R) symbols and the multiple
> names for the same plant (Radcor/KnockOut, etc.)
>
> I opt to give the readers what they need to find the plant, the
> scientific name and the marketed name...Wine and Roses, KnockOut, but
> without the 'real' name of the cultivar, Radcor or Verweig.
>
> jems
>
>> This is taken directly from Conard Pyle's website:
>>
>>  The Rainbow Knock OutR Rose (Rosa 'Radcor')
>>
>> 'Radcor' is the cultivar name for this variety not 'Rainbow'
>>
>> We feel that the trademarked or registered name should also go  
>> before the
>> genus or common name because consumers will refer to it as Black  
>> Lace or My
>> Monet and typically not even use the genus when asking for it.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Danielle Smith
>>
>> Public Relations & Marketing Assistant
>>
>> Spring Meadow Nursery, Inc.
>>
>> 12601  120th ave.
>>
>> Grand Haven, MI 49417
>>
>> 800-633-8859 ext 1201
>>
>>  www.SpringMeadownursery.com,
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gardenwriters-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
>> [g*@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of N  
>> Sterman
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:38 PM
>> To: Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum
>> Subject: Re: [GWL] examples of trademark name or registered names
>>
>> Thanks Catriona.   Am I correct in thinking that Knock Out is the
>> trademark term, as is My Monet, while 'Rainbow' is a variety name?
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Catriona Tudor Erler wrote:
>>
>>>  Here are a couple.  Many thanks to Danielle Smith of Spring Meadow
>>>  Nursery, Inc. for helping me on this issue.
>>>  Knock OutR Roses
>>>  Knock OutR 'Rainbow'
>>>  Weigela My Monet ^(TM)
>>>  Catriona
>>>
>>>  N Sterman wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I am glad this came up as I am often confused about how to site a
>>>>  plant that has a cultivar name and a trademark name.  Graham,  
>>>> can you
>>>>  give us some examples of how these plants are to be correctly  
>>>> sited?
>>>>
>>>>  Nan
>>>>
>>>>  On Jun 13, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Graham Rice wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  John is right...
>>>>>
>>>>>  And here is a summary, from the Introductory pages of the  
>>>>> latest RHS
>>>>>  PlantFinder, which sums up the sitation in relation to Trade
>>>>>  Designations, often referred to as "selling names". I've added  
>>>>> the
>>>>>  note on translations of cultivar names, as this is also of  
>>>>> interest
>>>>>  to garden writers.
>>>>>
>>>>>  It should be noted that the "propagation prohibited" statements
>>>>>  appearing on tags seem to be changing from "Propagation for sale
>>>>>  prohibited" to "Propagation prohibited". I'm not sure that the
>>>>>  latter point can be enforced as this would prevent gardeners
>>>>>  splitting a perennial in two!
>>>>>
>>>>>  A plant that is sold under a trademarked name can also be sold  
>>>>> under
>>>>>  its cultivar name (without the TM name). A PBR plant cannot be
>>>>>  propagated without a license, but when the PBR on a plant runs  
>>>>> out
>>>>>  (as it has done on some excellent Alstroemeria hybrids - NB  
>>>>> Chris?)
>>>>>  then anyone can propagate and sell it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  BTW I think this discussion has a definite place on this mailing
>>>>>  list, as garden writers (especially those with no formal  
>>>>> botanical
>>>>>  or horticultural background) may be unaware of the international
>>>>>  rules which govern all this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  TRADE DESIGNATIONS
>>>>>  A trade designation is the name used to market a plant when the
>>>>> cultivar name is considered unsuitable for selling purposes. It is
>>>>>  styled in a different typeface and without single quotation  
>>>>> marks.
>>>>>  In the case of Plant Breeders' Rights it is a legal  
>>>>> requirement for
>>>>>  the cultivar name to appear with the trade designation on a  
>>>>> label at
>>>>>  the point of sale. Most plants are sold under only one trade
>>>>>  designation, but some, especially roses, are sold under a  
>>>>> number of
>>>>>  names, particularly when cultivars are introduced from other
>>>>>  countries.
>>>>>  Usually, the correct cultivar name is the only way to ensure that
>>>>>  the same plant is not bought unwittingly under two or more  
>>>>> different
>>>>>  trade designations. The RHS Plant Finder follows the  
>>>>> recommendations
>>>>>  of the ICNCP when dealing with trade designations and PBR.  
>>>>> These are
>>>>>  always to quote the cultivar name and trade designation  
>>>>> together and
>>>>>  to style the trade designation in a different typeface, without
>>>>>  single quotation marks.
>>>>>
>>>>>  TRANSLATIONS
>>>>>  When a cultivar name is translated from the language of first
>>>>>  publication, the translation is regarded as a trade  
>>>>> designation and
>>>>>  styled accordingly. We endeavour to recognise the original  
>>>>> cultivar
>>>>>  name in every case and to give an English translation where it  
>>>>> is in
>>>>>  general use.
>>>>>
>>>>>  [This material is CRHS, but as they are keen to have accurate
>>>>>  summaries of the situation widely disseminated, I'm sure they'll
>>>>>  have no objection to my posting it here.]
>>>>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Jo Ellen Meyers Sharp
> Garden writer, author, photographer
> Region III Director Garden Writers Association
> Phone: (317) 251.3261
> Fax: (317) 251.8545
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