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RE: Digest for Gardenwriters@topica.com, issue 363
The GWAA Region V meeting is on March 16 at Morton Arboretun, Lisle,
Illinois. I plan to attend, anyone else from this listserve?
Mariellen Griffith
----- Original Message -----
From: <Gardenwriters@topica.com>
To: <Gardenwriters@topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 6:15 AM
Subject: Digest for Gardenwriters@topica.com, issue 363
> -- Topica Digest --
>
> Re: The name game
> By wshear@email.hsc.edu
>
> Re: The name game, cont.
> By Spicebush@myexcel.com
>
> Pollenation, pollenization
> By nsterman@plantsoup.com
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By deltas@auracom.com
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By hortventures@cox.net
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By wshear@email.hsc.edu
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By tloallergyfree@earthlink.net
>
> Location of garden articles in newspapers
> By GardenLit@aol.com
>
> Re: The name game
> By apismno@aol.com
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By nsterman@plantsoup.com
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By apismno@aol.com
>
> Re: Location of garden articles in newspapers
> By lonrom@hevanet.com
>
> Re: Location of garden articles in newspapers
> By Hamptongar@aol.com
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By melauter@earthlink.net
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By melauter@earthlink.net
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By tloallergyfree@earthlink.net
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By melauter@earthlink.net
>
> Re: Location of garden articles in newspapers
> By Spicebush@myexcel.com
>
> Re: Location of garden articles in newspapers
> By GardenLit@aol.com
>
> Re: The well-researched publication
> By fgustman@juno.com
>
> Re: Pollenation, pollenization
> By rmnicholsmcgee@attbi.com
>
> Re: Spider Mites
> By Debpits@aol.com
>
> Re: Digest for Gardenwriters@topica.com, issue 360
> By sholt@saxonholt.com
>
> Re: The name game
> By jonivy@earthlink.net
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:30:32 -0500
> From: Bill Shear <wshear@email.hsc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: The name game
>
>
> On 3/2/02 2:29 PM, "Graham Rice" <garden@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > My mail server has been down for over a day and have just checked the
> > backlog in the archive.
> >
> > Polygonatum merged into Convallaria? I'd not heard that one, can you
> > give me the reference?
>
> I suspect that what the previous poster is referring to is the placement
of
> Polygonatum in the FAMILY Convallariaceae, where it undoubtedly belongs.
>
> Bill Shear
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:47:25 -0500
> From: "Peter Loewer" <spicebush@myexcel.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: The name game, cont.
>
>
> GWL: A bit more on the Cimicifuga--The entire botanical history of these
> plants can be found in the Winter 1999 issue of "HerbalGram," The Journal
of
> the American Botanical Council and the Herb Research Foundation.
> In that issue, Anthony Young wrote: "Another reason for this taxonomic
> error (which see), is relevant in 1999 because James A. Compton and
> colleagues at the University of Reading, after extensive morphological and
> DNA sequencing, have placed the entire genus--after 245 years--back into
> Linnaeus's original concept of Actaea. . . .
> "Since it will take another 100 years for the world botanical, herbal, and
> medical literature to either accept or reject this name change, this paper
> will continue to use the now obsolete name Cimicifuga racemose to refer to
> the source plant of the herbal medicine known as "black cohosh."
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:06:10 -0800
> From: Nan Sterman <nsterman@plantsoup.com>
> Subject: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> Can someone please tell me the difference beween pollenation and
pollenization?
>
> Thanks
>
> Nan
> --
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>
> Nan Sterman PlantSoup
>
> 205 Cole Ranch Road
> Olivenhain, CA 92024 760.634.2902 (voice)
> NSterman@PlantSoup.Com 760.634.2957 (fax)
>
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:29:57 -0400
> From: "Carol Matthews" <deltas@auracom.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> Hi Nan:
> I don't think pollenization is a word - although I'll probably be
blown
> off the planet when everyone writes in to tell me I'm wrong! :0)
> Looking forward to finding out for sure.
> Cheers
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:20:40 -0800
> From: "Horticulture Ventures" <hortventures@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> Nan,
>
> Pollenation is misspelled. It should be spelled pollination. Just a quirk
in
> the English language.
>
> I do not believe that Pollenization is not a real word, but rather a
> contrive effort to express the act of pollination or the pollinating of a
> flower.
>
> As I am not an English major, perhaps someone else can clarify the terms
> from that perspective.
>
> Claude Sweet
> San DIego, CA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nan Sterman" <nsterman@plantsoup.com>
> To: <Gardenwriters@topica.com>; <medit-plants@ucdavis.edu>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:06 AM
> Subject: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> > Can someone please tell me the difference between pollenation and
> pollenization?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Nan
> > --
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >
> > Nan Sterman PlantSoup
> >
> > 205 Cole Ranch Road
> > Olivenhain, CA 92024 760.634.2902 (voice)
> > NSterman@PlantSoup.Com 760.634.2957 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:10:49 -0500
> From: Bill Shear <wshear@email.hsc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> On 3/4/02 12:06 PM, "Nan Sterman" <nsterman@plantsoup.com> wrote:
>
> > Can someone please tell me the difference beween pollenation and
> > pollenization?
>
> Correct spellings: pollination and pollinization. I could not find the
> latter term in any botany book glossary or biological dictionary, at least
> not those available to me here in the office and the department.
>
> However, a web search revealed that "pollinization" is used in
horticulture,
> sometimes to mean the same thing as "pollination," but in other cases to
> refer specifically to the act of an insect or another animal carrying
pollen
> between flowers.
>
> The immediate reaction of 2 botanists here was the same as mine:
> "pollinization" is not a word. But evidently it is a word, though not the
> one favored by usage.
>
> For the record, pollination refers to the placing of pollen on the stigma
by
> any means whatsoever.
>
> Bill Shear
> Department of Biology
> Hampden-Sydney College
> Hampden-Sydney VA 23943
> (434)223-6172
> FAX (434)223-6374
> email<wshear@email.hsc.edu>
> Moderating e-lists:
> Coleus at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coleus
> Opiliones at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/opiliones
> Myriapod at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/myriapod
> MilliPEET website at
>
http://www.fmnh.org/research_collections/zoology/zoo_sites/millipeet/home.ht
> ml
>
> "I do not value any view of the universe into which man and the intentions
> of man enter very largely and absorb most of the attention. Man is but
the
> place where I stand, and the prospect hence is infinite....Some rarely go
> outdoors, most are always home at night, very few indeed have stayed out
all
> night once in their lives, fewer still have gone beyond the world of
> humanity and seen its institutions like toadstools by the wayside."
> Henry David Thoreau, Journals, Apr. 2, 1852.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:41:43 -0800
> From: "Tom Ogren" <tloallergyfree@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> Nan, Claude, and Carol,
>
> As one who often has his nose in the pollen, pollination is the
preferred
> term.
>
> Tom "Pollen" Ogren
> tloallergyfree@earthlink.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carol Matthews" <deltas@auracom.com>
> To: <Gardenwriters@topica.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> > Hi Nan:
> > I don't think pollenization is a word - although I'll probably be
> blown
> > off the planet when everyone writes in to tell me I'm wrong! :0)
> > Looking forward to finding out for sure.
> > Cheers
> > Carol
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Join "Women Freebies" now!
> > http://www.topica.com/lists/womenfreebies/
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:32:50 EST
> From: GardenLit@aol.com
> Subject: Location of garden articles in newspapers
>
>
> If gardening is America's leading leisure activity, why is it hard to find
> the garden articles in US newspapers? I notice a great difference in where
in
> a paper they're printed and whether or not Gardening or Home and Garden is
> even a section, let alone mentioned as a category in the guide or index.
>
> I never have a problem finding the garden section in UK papers, but I have
a
> problem right now with the New York Times Sunday edition. The paper is in
> front of me and I still can't find it (no comments about eyeglasses or
> Saturday night parties please, maybe my copy is defective!). On the web
site
> I found Lee Reich's article on weedless gardening dated 3/3/02. I assume
an
> article of this nature and by this author would be printed in the New
England
> edition (I live in Boston). Regional editions can differ so if there are
no
> New England readers on the list can someone at least point me to the right
> section?
>
> So, now I'm also very interested in finding out out which US newspapers
> regularly publish separate garden sections? Is it more likely to be driven
by
> advertising or perceived reader interest (is this the same thing?)? Are
there
> any newspapers with full time "garden editors"?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sally Williams
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:07:19 EST
> From: ApisMNO@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: The name game
>
>
> Having faint contact with professional taxonomists who understand
cladistics
> as well as morphology, I think that genetic mapping is only another tool
to
> help understand how life forms have changed as well as remained constant.
I
> once heard Edward Ayensu describe how it had been necessary to use a
scanning
> electron microscope to find a single morphological difference between two
> species of orchids which had been considered different species on the
basis
> of geographical separation. There might have been arguments without the
use
> of mid-twentieth century technology. It is very likely that those two
> species will have almost genomes.
>
> If you want to watch lumpers and splitters go to the past publications
about
> the genus Rhododendron. That provides entertainment for a very
intelligent
> friend of mine who fully understands the arguments each time. She doesn't
> always agree, but she doesn't make up her mind on nonscientific criteria,
> either.
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:12:51 -0800
> From: Nan Sterman <nsterman@plantsoup.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> Oh you are all correct -- it is pollination, not pollenation -- I am
> not all together today, I've been bitten by a nasty flu bug.
>
> The question arises from my reading about stone fruit trees and the
> need for two varieties for cross pollinatiion. In several places
> recently, I come across the term "pollenizer" when I expect to read
> "pollinator" and have been bewildered by the term.
>
> Here is one example of its use:
> http://www.baylaurelnursery.com/Catalog/fruit_trees/plums_prunes.html
> Search for the term on the page to see what I mean. I just wonder
> if this is an industry-specific term rather than a botanical or
> horticultural one...
> --
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>
> Nan Sterman PlantSoup
>
> 205 Cole Ranch Road
> Olivenhain, CA 92024 760.634.2902 (voice)
> NSterman@PlantSoup.Com 760.634.2957 (fax)
>
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:24:41 EST
> From: ApisMNO@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> It comes down to whether you like to use greater or smaller numbers of
> syllables. I would feel that someone who wrote about pollenization was
doing
> it third hand, not from personal research in the field.
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:36:06 -0800
> From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Location of garden articles in newspapers
>
>
> on 3/4/02 10:32 AM, GardenLit@aol.com at GardenLit@aol.com wrote:
>
> > If gardening is America's leading leisure activity, why is it hard to
find
> > the garden articles in US newspapers? I notice a great difference in
where in
> > a paper they're printed and whether or not Gardening or Home and Garden
is
> > even a section, let alone mentioned as a category in the guide or index.
> >
> > I never have a problem finding the garden section in UK papers, but I
have a
> > problem right now with the New York Times Sunday edition. The paper is
in
> > front of me and I still can't find it (no comments about eyeglasses or
> > Saturday night parties please, maybe my copy is defective!). On the web
site
> > I found Lee Reich's article on weedless gardening dated 3/3/02. I assume
an
> > article of this nature and by this author would be printed in the New
England
> > edition (I live in Boston). Regional editions can differ so if there are
no
> > New England readers on the list can someone at least point me to the
right
> > section?
> >
> > So, now I'm also very interested in finding out out which US newspapers
> > regularly publish separate garden sections? Is it more likely to be
driven by
> > advertising or perceived reader interest (is this the same thing?)? Are
there
> > any newspapers with full time "garden editors"?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Sally Williams
> The Portland Oregonian publishes an excellent weekly tabloid size garden
> section in the Thursday edition. Kym Pokorny, tell Sally all about it.
:-)
> -Lon
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:42:12 EST
> From: Hamptongar@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Location of garden articles in newspapers
>
>
>
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> The Times has taken the usually weekly gardening articles out of the Style
> section and most of the weekly Home section and they are now put in what
we
> used to call the BQLI sections (Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island) which now
> cover a much wider area since I now live in Westchester...an it shows up
in
> our section. So, at one point long, long ago they could have actually had
> columns by hardiness zones on weekends and gardening articles of regional
> interest in a main section on Sundays. But as one analyst put it over the
> weekend the New York Times (and other papers and news outlets) are
publicly
> traded companies and the driving force is....the bottom line. In this
case
> the bottom isn't dirt, but dollars. Reader be damned.
>
> Andrew Messinger
> The Hampton Gardener
> The Hampton Gardener is a Registered Trade Mark
>
>
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in what we used to call the BQLI sections (Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island)
which now cover a much wider area since I now live in Westchester...an it
shows up in our section. So, at one point long, long ago they could
have actually had columns by hardiness zones on weekends and gardening
articles of regional interest in a main section on Sundays. But as one
analyst put it over the weekend the New York Times (and other papers and
news outlets) are publicly traded companies and the driving force is....the
bottom line. In this case the bottom isn't dirt, but dollars.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:06:45 -0700
> From: Margaret Lauterbach <melauter@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> I've seen beekeepers use "pollinize" for pollination, and that word is in
> my unabridged, but I'm not familiar with pollinization. Seems to me its a
> self-redundant word. Margaret Lauterbach
>
>
> > > Can someone please tell me the difference beween pollenation and
> > > pollenization?
> >
> >Correct spellings: pollination and pollinization. I could not find the
> >latter term in any botany book glossary or biological dictionary, at
least
> >not those available to me here in the office and the department.
> >
> >However, a web search revealed that "pollinization" is used in
horticulture,
> >sometimes to mean the same thing as "pollination," but in other cases to
> >refer specifically to the act of an insect or another animal carrying
pollen
> >between flowers.
> >
> >The immediate reaction of 2 botanists here was the same as mine:
> >"pollinization" is not a word. But evidently it is a word, though not
the
> >one favored by usage.
> >
> >For the record, pollination refers to the placing of pollen on the stigma
by
> >any means whatsoever.
> >
> >Bill Shear
> >Department of Biology
> >Hampden-Sydney College
> >Hampden-Sydney VA 23943
> >(434)223-6172
> >FAX (434)223-6374
> >email<wshear@email.hsc.edu>
> >Moderating e-lists:
> >Coleus at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coleus
> >Opiliones at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/opiliones
> >Myriapod at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/myriapod
> >MilliPEET website at
>
>http://www.fmnh.org/research_collections/zoology/zoo_sites/millipeet/home.h
t
> >ml
> >
> >"I do not value any view of the universe into which man and the
intentions
> >of man enter very largely and absorb most of the attention. Man is but
the
> >place where I stand, and the prospect hence is infinite....Some rarely go
> >outdoors, most are always home at night, very few indeed have stayed out
all
> >night once in their lives, fewer still have gone beyond the world of
> >humanity and seen its institutions like toadstools by the wayside."
> >Henry David Thoreau, Journals, Apr. 2, 1852.
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------
> >Join "Women Freebies" now!
> > http://www.topica.com/lists/womenfreebies/
> >
> >GWL has searchable archives at:
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> >If you have photos for GWL, send them to gwlphotos@hort.net and they will
> >show up at http://www.hort.net/lists/gwlphotos/
> >**************************************************
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:10:39 -0700
> From: Margaret Lauterbach <melauter@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> Nan, one of the major beekeepers on Internet does make the distinction. A
> bee is a pollinizer, distributing pollen. Thus are the trees
> pollinated. Margaret L
> >Oh you are all correct -- it is pollination, not pollenation -- I am not
> >all together today, I've been bitten by a nasty flu bug.
> >
> >The question arises from my reading about stone fruit trees and the need
> >for two varieties for cross pollinatiion. In several places recently, I
> >come across the term "pollenizer" when I expect to read "pollinator" and
> >have been bewildered by the term.
> >
> >Here is one example of its use:
> >http://www.baylaurelnursery.com/Catalog/fruit_trees/plums_prunes.html
> >Search for the term on the page to see what I mean. I just wonder if
> >this is an industry-specific term rather than a botanical or
horticultural
> >one...
> >--
> >+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >
> >Nan Sterman PlantSoup
> >
> >205 Cole Ranch Road
> >Olivenhain, CA 92024 760.634.2902 (voice)
> >NSterman@PlantSoup.Com 760.634.2957 (fax)
> >
> >+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------
> >Join "Women Freebies" now!
> > http://www.topica.com/lists/womenfreebies/
> >
> >GWL has searchable archives at: http://www.hort.net/lists/gardenwriters/
> >If you have photos for GWL, send them to gwlphotos@hort.net and they will
> >show up at http://www.hort.net/lists/gwlphotos/
> >**************************************************
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:57:38 -0800
> From: "Tom Ogren" <tloallergyfree@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> Nan,
>
> Pollenizer is a correct term for a plant that is used to cross-pollinate
> another. This is most common with numerous sweet cherries and almonds, and
> then too with a limited number of self-unfruitful cultivars of apple,
plum,
> peach, and even a few apricots.
> Hope your flu leaves quickly. Drink lots of water.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nan Sterman" <nsterman@plantsoup.com>
> To: <Gardenwriters@topica.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> > Oh you are all correct -- it is pollination, not pollenation -- I am
> > not all together today, I've been bitten by a nasty flu bug.
> >
> > The question arises from my reading about stone fruit trees and the
> > need for two varieties for cross pollinatiion. In several places
> > recently, I come across the term "pollenizer" when I expect to read
> > "pollinator" and have been bewildered by the term.
> >
> > Here is one example of its use:
> > http://www.baylaurelnursery.com/Catalog/fruit_trees/plums_prunes.html
> > Search for the term on the page to see what I mean. I just wonder
> > if this is an industry-specific term rather than a botanical or
> > horticultural one...
> > --
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >
> > Nan Sterman PlantSoup
> >
> > 205 Cole Ranch Road
> > Olivenhain, CA 92024 760.634.2902 (voice)
> > NSterman@PlantSoup.Com 760.634.2957 (fax)
> >
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Join "Women Freebies" now!
> > http://www.topica.com/lists/womenfreebies/
> >
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> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:43:13 -0700
> From: Margaret Lauterbach <melauter@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> At 09:06 AM 3/4/02 -0800, you wrote:
> >Can someone please tell me the difference beween pollenation and
> >pollenization?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Nan
> Rats! I just gave you misinformation. Here's the correct difference (via
> http://pollinator.com): "Let's Get Our Terms Clear!
> Any seedman or nursery that sells you a plant to pollinate, or calls a
> plant a pollinator is confused. BEES POLLINATE; PLANTS POLLENIZE. A plant
> cannot be a pollinator and a bee cannot be a pollenizer. These terms are
as
> precise and different as uterus and ovary.
> How much would you trust a gynecologist who used these terms
> interchangeably? Unfortunately, the understanding of pollination is just
> about that primitive, even with some folks who've worked with plants for a
> long time.
> A pollinator is the agent that carries pollen, most often a bee, but it
can
> be many other things, including humans that are hand pollinating. A
> pollenizer is a source plant for compatible pollen (a "daddy"), that
> normally blooms at the same time, although pollen is now artificially
saved
> as well.
> (Garden Glossary) (Glossary of Horticultural terms)
> A good example is Johnny's Selected Seeds (not to pick on only one
> seedsman), which is offering a percentage of POLLINATORS with some of
their
> cucumber seeds. I recently asked them, if they really meant that they were
> offering pollenizers (plants to provide pollen), and told them that the
> primary pollinators for cucumbers were honeybees. They won't change the
> catalog, so I can only conclude they are offering bees to do the job.
Their
> web catalog is at http://www.johnnyseeds.com/ The standard way to mail
> order honeybees is in three pound packages, shipped by US mail. This is a
> very generous offer indeed. Ask them if they really
> mean this!
> Another example can be seen in this non-sequitur from a nursery:
> "Most Citrus, including Citrus Sinensis are self-fertile so a pollinator
is
> not normally required. Use a Q Tip or a clean small paint brush to
> pollinate the flowers."
> A pollinator is not required, so they proceed to tell you how to be a
> pollinator.
> Obviously, they mean a pollenizer is not required?
> Effective Pollination: A short course by Richard Norton (tree fruits)
> We are thinking of posting a list of nursery/seedsmen that confuse these
terms.
> Here's the beginning of a nursery/seedsman list that get's it right!
> Cummins Nursery
> Raintree Nursery - Good Fruit Pollenizer Charts
> Hilltop Nursery - Good Pollenizer Charts
> Dave Wilson Nursery
> Burkard Nurseries
> Sierra Gold Nurseries
> Sonoma Antique Apple Nursery
> Bay Laural Nursery
> Edible Landscape Nursery Tropical/subtropical, includes a good list of
> citrus pollenizers
> Adams County Nursery
> Wafler Nursery
> Peaceful Valley Farm Supply Organic fruit trees
> Glossary of Pollination Terms
> Walnut Varieties for Home Production
> Stonefruit Variety Recommendations for warm climates, with pollenizer
> recommendations
> Does my fruit tree need a pollenizer? Dr. Mark Rieger has a concise list
of
> fruits which include general pollenizer information by fruits. Select
> Botanical description for each fruit category.
> Penn State on Choosing a Nursery for Fruit Trees
> (Let's Get Our Terms Clear! Part II)
>
> Margaret Lauterbach
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:52:34 -0500
> From: "Peter Loewer" <spicebush@myexcel.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Location of garden articles in newspapers
>
>
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> GWL: The only reason a quick answer to this problem is becuase I'm at home
today at the computer and working on a book so any interruption is a welcome
interruption. (Point: it is The New York Times not the New York Times). And
most newspapers today are owned by other companies and deem garden columns
to be necessary only if cheap or free, the first often provided by folks who
want to see their name in the papers and the second by extension agents who
work for free because they are state or county employees. Then, too, there
are the readers: In England many more folks (per capita) are gardeners than
in the US. After all, if so many Americans really gardened (instead of the
better half paying laborers to do the job and the lesser half interested
only in marigolds, petunias, and veggies), we would live in a far more
beautfuful urban and suburban environment. If gardening is so popular, why
does the country get uglier by the week? As Andrew points out, today the
bottom line is the buck first, the investors second, the advertisers third,
and the readers at the bottom of the heap. Peter L.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hamptongar@aol.com
> To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Location of garden articles in newspapers
>
>
> The Times has taken the usually weekly gardening articles out of the
Style section and most of the weekly Home section and they are now put in
what we used to call the BQLI sections (Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island) which
now cover a much wider area since I now live in Westchester...an it shows up
in our section. So, at one point long, long ago they could have actually
had columns by hardiness zones on weekends and gardening articles of
regional interest in a main section on Sundays. But as one analyst put it
over the weekend the New York Times (and other papers and news outlets) are
publicly traded companies and the driving force is....the bottom line. In
this case the bottom isn't dirt, but dollars. Reader be damned.
>
>
> Andrew Messinger
> The Hampton Gardener
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> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>GWL: The only reason a quick answer to this problem
is
> becuase I'm at home today at the computer and working on a book so any
> interruption is a welcome interruption. (Point: it is <EM>The New York
> Times</EM> not the <EM>New York Times</EM>). And most newspapers
today are
> owned by other companies and deem garden columns to be necessary only
if
> cheap or free, the first often provided by folks who want to see
their name
> in the papers and the second by extension agents who work for free because
they
> are state or county employees. Then, too, there are the readers: In
> England many more folks (per capita) are gardeners than in the US.
After
> all, if so many Americans really gardened (instead of the better half
paying
> laborers to do the job and the lesser half interested only in marigolds,
> petunias, and veggies), we would live in a far more beautfuful urban and
> suburban environment. If gardening is so popular, why does the country get
> uglier by the week? As Andrew points out, today the bottom line is the
buck
> first, the investors second, the advertisers third, and the readers at the
> bottom of the heap. Peter L.</FONT></DIV>
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> FAMILY="SANSSERIF">The Times has taken the usually weekly gardening
articles
> out of the Style section and most of the weekly Home section and they
are now
> put in what we used to call the BQLI sections (Brooklyn, Queens, Long
Island)
> which now cover a much wider area since I now live in Westchester...an
it
> shows up in our section. So, at one point long, long ago they
could have
> actually had columns by hardiness zones on weekends and gardening
articles of
> regional interest in a main section on Sundays. But as one analyst
put
> it over the weekend the New York Times (and other papers and news
outlets) are
> publicly traded companies and the driving force is....the bottom line.
> In this case the bottom isn't dirt, but dollars. Reader be
damned.
> <BR><BR>
> <P align=center></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Verdana color=#000000 size=2
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> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:13:02 EST
> From: GardenLit@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Location of garden articles in newspapers
>
>
> I found it in the Sports section of the New England edition, thanks to
> Barbara. I must say that possibility never occurred to me, though why not,
> when you think of the physical exertion and the competitiveness of
gardeners?
> I used to gladly relinquish that section to my husband, but now he'll have
to
> learn to be a team player!
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:47:57 -0500
> From: fran gustman <fgustman@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: The well-researched publication
>
>
> Carol Deppe is one of my favorite writers on the list. Have you noticed
> that she's written for HR?
>
> How about you? ha, ha
>
> Fran
>
> And thanks to Carol Deppe for the most lucid and salient
> >
> > description of the "essence" of personalized writing I've seen in a
> > long
> > time.
> >
> > Sally Williams
> > Editor and publisher
> > Garden Literature: An Index to Periodical Articles and Book Reviews
> > 398 Columbus Ave #181
> > Boston MA 02116
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:44:08 -0800
> From: Rose Marie Nichols McGee <rmnicholsmcgee@attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
>
> This discussion reminds me I heard Michael Pollan, author if The Botany of
> Desire speak at the Northwest Flower Show. Good book, interesting ideas
but
> I was struck by his name, Michael Pollan, is such a good example of
> nominative determinism.
> Rose Marie
>
> > Subject: Re: [GWL]: Pollenation, pollenization
>
> > Pollenizer is a correct term for a plant that is used to cross-pollinate
> > another. >
>
> >>
> >> The question arises from my reading about stone fruit trees and the
> >> need for two varieties for cross pollinatiion. In several places
> >> recently, I come across the term "pollenizer" when I expect to read
> >> "pollinator" and have been bewildered by the term.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:03:12 EST
> From: Debpits@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: Spider Mites
>
>
> Here is a glib bur workable response to spider mites. On a day when the
temp
> is above 40 and below 50 degrees. Spray the plants with water and put
them
> outside. An old NY gardener taught this to me years ago, it works. Just
> remember to bring the plants in. Don't try it with ferns or orchids.
> Deb P
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 21:31:57 -0800
> From: Saxon Holt <sholt@saxonholt.com>
> Subject: Re: Digest for Gardenwriters@topica.com, issue 360
>
>
>
> > From: Rich Pomerantz <rich@richpomerantz.com>
>
> > almost never,
> > does a work for hire publisher actually offer the value of all the
> > rights inherently included in work for hire. Usually the price is for
> > the usage they need, but the rights they obtain in WFH are worth alot
> > more than that. It is a very powerful tool in the hands of the
> > publisher, because it lets them keep the transaction very simple, from
> > their point of view. They license the work and they own the work for all
> > possible uses. End of story.
> ...when WFH is applied to a freelancer,
> > the freelancer gains none of the benefits of the employee. I'll take WFH
> > when the publisher is willing to pay me back all my overhead, including
> > insurance, mileage, film & processing, etc. Until then, I retain the
> > reuse, so that I can generate the income I need to keep my business
> > running. Reusage fees are not an extra source of income for magazine and
> > advertising photographers, it is an integral part of the business plan,
> > and has been for several decades.
> >
> > That's why it's a bad deal, especially for photographers - The majority
> > of the value in many, many creative pieces, certainly in assignment
> > photography, is in the reuse, not in the original creation.
>
> Thank you Rich for succinctly presenting the WFH case as seen by
> freelance photographers. I have presented this exact thought process to
> many an editor over the years and stayed away from most WFH situations
> to the benefit of my stock library. While it has taken many years to
> pay off, it always been a very conscious part of my business plan.
>
> I will mention WFH has benefitted me in those situations where the
> publisher pays a high premium for those rights. For me, my WFH fee (plus
> expenses) is three times my normal rate. When a client hired me for
> more than a year, to produce a massive amount of work for a good amount
> of money, I took the money and ran. (Paid off the car, an equity loan,
> put substantial amounts into the kids education accounts, bought new
> cameras, real family vacations, etc.) Do I wish I had the rights back
> to those photos ? An occasional pang, yes. But they don't exist as far
> as I am concerned. Considering the number of photos provided, I gamble
> there is no way they will ever use all the rights they paid for. They
> had to pay WFH for even the medoicre ones.
>
> I urge each individual "creative" to establish a rate that suits their
> own comfort level. Whether it is original/ assignment work as a
> freelancer or staff person, whether it be second rights or derivative
> use, each of us in all types of creative work and at various times in
> our careers need to adjust to our own comfort level - so long as it is
> done with good knowledge. It is the publishers job to get as many
> rights as it can and it is our job to keep as many as we can. It does
> not have to be adversarial, as that just creates tension and burns
bridges.
>
> When contract negotiations become difficult and one's comfort level for
> price and rights offered gets weird, a polite "no thanks" is all you
> need to say. You will gain credibility and intangible benefits by being
> just out of reach of low-ball contracts. Situations will change
> throughout a career. Today, an offer of $75 for one of my photos would
> get the polite "can't do it", telling the editor they will find someone
> else's photo that will be almost as good for their purposes.
>
> [And I have come to realize I don't want my best stock photos in
> circulation to low priced publishers, because they won't be here to send
> to the others. While I do have more than 200K images here, there are
> always calls for similar images in similar seasons. I always send out
> the best and don't shoot many multiple frames so it is important to send
> out excellent images to every editor. Too many times in the past, I
> have regretted sending out photos to a low price client when a better
> one wants to see them the next week. One must believe, as I do, that
> one good sale is better than 2 small ones and that the work is good
> enough to compete for the higher sales.]
>
> Twenty years ago, when, not only was I much more eager for any sales but
> my work was not as good (I gotta believe), I was delighted to sell
> photos for $50. $75! they were giving money away...
>
> Again, thanks Rich -
>
> Saxon Holt
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:04:53 -0800
> From: "John MacGregor" <jonivy@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GWL]: The name game
>
>
> > Check the MGB W3Tropicos data base. I usually begin my searches there.
> >
> > Gene E. Bush
>
> > Gene,
> > What's the web address? at www.tropicos.com there is a message that the
> > domain is for sale for $6000. Obviously not the database you mentioned!
> > Thanks
> > Sally
>
> Sally,
>
> The link to the Missouri Botanical Garden MOBOT W3 Tropicos site is:
>
> http://mobot.mobot.org/W3T/Search/vast.html
>
> John MacGregor
> jonivy@earthlink.net
>
>
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