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Re: [GWL]: Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)
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- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:25:55 -0600
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RE: [GWL]: Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening maga EPM, IPM, Organic, Biological, Biologically based, etc. . . . . . .
There are enough terms out there to really confuse the average hobby gardener (and even a few garden writers).
The main thing I think we should be doing, as garden writers, is to take something that might appear complicated and/or difficult and transform it through our work to show how IPM is doable and perhaps even fun. IPM is often simpler and almost always more fun than spraying. It just takes some good education - that is where good writing must come to the rescue.
For instance, I have a big old shade tree in my front yard. Early this summer (and most summers) it gets totally infested with aphids. Every morning my truck was covered in sticky honeydew. Instead of applying chemicals, I released two different species of lacewing flies at a total price of $45.00 (much cheaper and easier than hiring a spray crew). The aphids were on the run and the problem was solved within a week.
I have used the lacewing release on my trees for years and now advocate it on my radio programs. The feedback I get is positive. People call and tell me how fun it is to see these lacewings prior to their release in the vial, and then they enjoy seeing them flying in the neighborhood throughout the summer. Using biological control is very much like gardening except that you are growing bugs instead of plants. I find that gardeners often take to IPM quite easily, especially when it is presented to them in easy to understand terms. That is what I have try to do in my greenhouse books and radio programming.
To communicate about IPM requires that we as writers fully understand what we are talking about.
In addition, we need to see further movement to get more IPM products out to the consumer, as many are solely available to commercial growers.
Shane Smith
www.botanic.org
www.greenhousegarden.com
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From: Nan Sterman
To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: [GWL]: Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)
Jeff,
I suspect that your definition of IPM and mine are a bit different.
To me, IPM is an approach that starts with observing the situation and deciding whether there is a problem. From there, one proceeds to determining the threshold level of that problem, i.e. is it a problem I can live with or is it one that needs some attention. The next step is to determine whether the problem can be resolved by a change in cultural practices or some other "non-treatment" method. If that doesn't work, start with the least invasive or least toxic treatment for the problem, and so on.
The bottom line is that not every problem is solved by a chemical (natural or synthetic), but when a problem does need to be addressed that way, start with the least environmentally damaging approach and proceed from there. In my experience, 99% of the problems encountered can be solved by changing cultural practices or use of non-synthetic treatments.
EPM is a new term to me, please explain...
Nan,
IPM is a wonderful commercial technique, but I don't believe it is appropriate to the home landscape nor for the average homeowner. It works best in the monoculture of the farm, while the home landscape is a very varied ecosystem. IPM is successful when monitoring is done properly. Monitoring as required by IPM is not feasible for the average homeowner nor even the average gardener, in my view. It's hard to do and requires considerable knowledge to do properly. IPM makes good use of certain beneficial insects that are appropriate because they are specific to certain pests. On the other hand, in the home landscape, the three best beneficials are ants, spiders and ground beetles, but they are not specific; but far more important than the lady bugs, green lacewings, and tricho wasps in the total scheme of things. Finally, the insecticides of choice for most IPM experts I know are light hort oil and insecticidal soap. These are two pesticides that are very difficult to use effectively by an amateur; timing and application techniques being so defined and critical.
Now if you want to talk about EPM, ecological pest management, then you are on to something for the home gardener.
Later,
Jeff Ball
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From: Nan Sterman [n*@plantsoup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:27 AM
To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
Subject: Re: [GWL]: Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)
However, IMHO, the major reason that organic has been misunderstood in this country was a disrespect for the consumer's intelligence. When you were writing for Rodale, you had to take out anything that smacked of "science," use an 8th-grade vocabulary, and make certain all your constructions were simple. It was impossible to write as if you were writing to peers; you had to write down, down, down. You couldn't even explain the science in simple language. This was disastrous. It gutted the concepts, eventually eroding them until all that was left was a narrow concern about human health. Rodale did it because they wanted to popularize organic methods and they believed that this was the way to do it. Maybe they were correct.
Oh I see! I always wondered what repulsed me about OG. I subscribed many many years ago and the tone and information was so cult-like that I gave up my subscription as soon as it expired, though I was very involved in non-chemical agriculture (and still am). IPM has always appealed to me greatly and largely because of its scientific approach to treating problems, starting with the least intervention and moving slowly from there. OG was (and in some ways still seems to be) like religion and I believe in the separation of church and garden.
Give me the science behind the fanatacism and I'll consider it. No science, no deal.
Thanks Miranda
Can we work IPM into this discussion?
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080><FONT color=#000000> </FONT><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy">EPM, IPM, Organic, Biological, Biologically based,
etc. . . . . .
.<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">There are enough terms out there to really
confuse the average hobby gardener (and even a few garden writers).</SPAN>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">The main thing I think we should be
doing, as garden writers, is to take something that might appear complicated
and/or difficult and transform it through our work to show how IPM is doable and
perhaps even fun. IPM is often simpler and almost always more fun than
spraying. It just takes some good education - that is where good writing must
come to the rescue.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">For instance, I have a big old
shade tree in my front yard. Early this summer (and most summers) it gets
totally infested with aphids. Every morning my truck was covered in sticky
honeydew. Instead of applying chemicals, I released two different species of
lacewing flies at a total price of $45.00 (much cheaper and easier than hiring a
spray crew). The aphids were on the run and the problem was solved within a
week. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">I have used the lacewing release on
my trees for years and now advocate it on my radio programs. The feedback I get
is positive. People call and tell me how fun it is to see these lacewings prior
to their release in the vial, and then they enjoy seeing them flying in the
neighborhood throughout the summer. Using biological control is very much like
gardening except that you are growing bugs instead of plants. I find that
gardeners often take to IPM quite easily, especially when it is presented to
them in easy to understand terms. That is what I have try to do in my greenhouse
books and radio programming. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">To communicate about IPM requires
that we as writers fully understand what we are talking about. <BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy">In addition, we need to see further movement to get more IPM
products out to the consumer, as many are solely available to commercial
growers.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">Shane Smith<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy"><A
href="http://www.botanic.org">www.botanic.org</A><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy"><A
href="http://www.greenhousegarden.com">www.greenhousegarden.com</A></SPAN></P>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nsterman@plantsoup.com href="n*@plantsoup.com">Nan
Sterman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Gardenwriters@topica.com
href="G*@topica.com">Gardenwriters@topica.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [GWL]: Organic Style
Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Jeff,</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I suspect that your definition of IPM and mine are a bit different.
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>To me, IPM is an approach that starts with observing the situation and
deciding whether there is a problem. From there, one proceeds to
determining the threshold level of that problem, i.e. is it a problem I can
live with or is it one that needs some attention. The next step is to
determine whether the problem can be resolved by a change in cultural
practices or some other "non-treatment" method. If that doesn't work,
start with the least invasive or least toxic treatment for the problem, and so
on. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The bottom line is that not every problem is solved by a chemical
(natural or synthetic), but when a problem does need to be addressed that way,
start with the least environmentally damaging approach and proceed from
there. In my experience, 99% of the problems encountered can be
solved by changing cultural practices or use of non-synthetic
treatments.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>EPM is a new term to me, please explain...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT
color=#000080></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT
color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT
color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT color=#000080></FONT><FONT
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=-1>Nan,</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=-1>IPM is a
wonderful commercial technique, but I don't believe it is appropriate to the
home landscape nor for the average homeowner. It works best in the
monoculture of the farm, while the home landscape is a very varied
ecosystem. IPM is successful when monitoring is done properly.
Monitoring as required by IPM is not feasible for the average homeowner nor
even the average gardener, in my view. It's hard to do and requires
considerable knowledge to do properly. IPM makes good use of certain
beneficial insects that are appropriate because they are specific to certain
pests. On the other hand, in the home landscape, the three best
beneficials are ants, spiders and ground beetles, but they are not specific;
but far more important than the lady bugs, green lacewings, and tricho wasps
in the total scheme of things. Finally, the insecticides of choice for
most IPM experts I know are light hort oil and insecticidal soap.
These are two pesticides that are very difficult to use effectively by an
amateur; timing and application techniques being so defined and
critical. </FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=-1>Now if
you want to talk about EPM, ecological pest management, then you are on to
something for the home gardener. </FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=-1></FONT><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000080
size=2></FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=-1>Later,</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=-1>Jeff
Ball</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000 size=-1>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nan Sterman
[n*@plantsoup.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 04, 2001
7:27 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Gardenwriters@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [GWL]:
Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000>However, IMHO, the major reason that organic has been
misunderstood in this country was a disrespect for the consumer's
intelligence. When you were writing for Rodale, you had to take out anything
that smacked of "science," use an 8th-grade vocabulary, and make certain all
your constructions were simple. It was impossible to write as if you
were writing to peers; you had to write down, down, down. You couldn't even
explain the science in simple language. This was disastrous. It gutted the
concepts, eventually eroding them until all that was left was a narrow
concern about human health. Rodale did it because they wanted to popularize
organic methods and they believed that this was the way to do it. Maybe they
were correct.</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000></FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>Oh I
see! I always wondered what repulsed me about OG. I subscribed
many many years ago and the tone and information was so cult-like that I
gave up my subscription as soon as it expired, though I was very involved in
non-chemical agriculture (and still am). IPM has always appealed to me
greatly and largely because of its scientific approach to treating problems,
starting with the least intervention and moving slowly from there. OG
was (and in some ways still seems to be) like religion and I believe in the
separation of church and garden.</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000></FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>Give
me the science behind the fanatacism and I'll consider it. No science,
no deal.</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000></FONT><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000>Thanks Miranda</FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000>Can
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