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RE: [GWL]: Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)
- Subject: RE: [GWL]: Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)
- From: Jeff Ball jeffball@starband.net>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:52:57 -0700
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Nan,
Whatever the definition, the IPM approach requires fairly solid knowledge of
the plants in question. If the average home landscape has 10 to 20 species
of plant, I argue that few folks are able to become truly knowledgeable
about 3 or 4 species, much less 20. That leads to what I see as the reality
in the home landscape. We wait until the problem has become a crisis; that
is when we notice it. The plant has lost its leaves, or is wilted badly, or
has lost huge chunks of leaves from something. Since I am cynical enough to
believe we will never educate the homeowner on the front end (learn to
prevent problems or solve them in their beginning stages), so I say let’s
begin to teach them that when they have taken the major step to solve the
immediate crisis, they need to now begin to understand that their plant was
probably in stress before the insect or disease struck, and now they need to
learn about how to reduce that stress culturally without pesticides so the
problem doesn’t come back. This leads to a plant by plant approach, but one
I think can be sold to the general public. If a plant never has a problem,
they don’t have to take any time to learn about it. If a plant is hit with
a crisis requiring very reactive fast behavior, at least their attention has
been gotten and maybe they will listen to the need to learn more about
caring for that particular plant over time to reduce or eliminate problems
with that plant in the future. It’s a slow process, but one that I think can
be communicated and sold.
IPM requires that we gain our knowledge on the front end ahead of the
problem, and I’m suggesting we will be more successful selling the need to
gain knowledge after the problem, when we’ve got their immediate attention.
Hope that doesn’t seem too convoluted. The approach seems to work for my
audience.
Later,
Jeff Ball
-----Original Message-----
From: Nan Sterman [n*@plantsoup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 8:40 AM
To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
Subject: RE: [GWL]: Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)
Jeff,
I suspect that your definition of IPM and mine are a bit different.
To me, IPM is an approach that starts with observing the situation and
deciding whether there is a problem. From there, one proceeds to
determining the threshold level of that problem, i.e. is it a problem I can
live with or is it one that needs some attention. The next step is to
determine whether the problem can be resolved by a change in cultural
practices or some other "non-treatment" method. If that doesn't work, start
with the least invasive or least toxic treatment for the problem, and so on.
The bottom line is that not every problem is solved by a chemical (natural
or synthetic), but when a problem does need to be addressed that way, start
with the least environmentally damaging approach and proceed from there.
In my experience, 99% of the problems encountered can be solved by changing
cultural practices or use of non-synthetic treatments.
EPM is a new term to me, please explain...
Nan,
IPM is a wonderful commercial technique, but I don't believe it is
appropriate to the home landscape nor for the average homeowner. It works
best in the monoculture of the farm, while the home landscape is a very
varied ecosystem. IPM is successful when monitoring is done properly.
Monitoring as required by IPM is not feasible for the average homeowner nor
even the average gardener, in my view. It's hard to do and requires
considerable knowledge to do properly. IPM makes good use of certain
beneficial insects that are appropriate because they are specific to certain
pests. On the other hand, in the home landscape, the three best beneficials
are ants, spiders and ground beetles, but they are not specific; but far
more important than the lady bugs, green lacewings, and tricho wasps in the
total scheme of things. Finally, the insecticides of choice for most IPM
experts I know are light hort oil and insecticidal soap. These are two
pesticides that are very difficult to use effectively by an amateur; timing
and application techniques being so defined and critical.
Now if you want to talk about EPM, ecological pest management, then you are
on to something for the home gardener.
Later,
Jeff Ball
-----Original Message-----
From: Nan Sterman [n*@plantsoup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:27 AM
To: Gardenwriters@topica.com
Subject: Re: [GWL]: Organic Style Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)
However, IMHO, the major reason that organic has been misunderstood in this
country was a disrespect for the consumer's intelligence. When you were
writing for Rodale, you had to take out anything that smacked of "science,"
use an 8th-grade vocabulary, and make certain all your constructions were
simple. It was impossible to write as if you were writing to peers; you had
to write down, down, down. You couldn't even explain the science in simple
language. This was disastrous. It gutted the concepts, eventually eroding
them until all that was left was a narrow concern about human health. Rodale
did it because they wanted to popularize organic methods and they believed
that this was the way to do it. Maybe they were correct.
Oh I see! I always wondered what repulsed me about OG. I subscribed many
many years ago and the tone and information was so cult-like that I gave up
my subscription as soon as it expired, though I was very involved in
non-chemical agriculture (and still am). IPM has always appealed to me
greatly and largely because of its scientific approach to treating problems,
starting with the least intervention and moving slowly from there. OG was
(and in some ways still seems to be) like religion and I believe in the
separation of church and garden.
Give me the science behind the fanatacism and I'll consider it. No science,
no deal.
Thanks Miranda
Can we work IPM into this discussion?
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Nan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Whatever
the definition, the IPM approach requires fairly solid knowledge of the plants
in question.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If the average home
landscape has 10 to 20 species of plant, I argue that few folks are able to
become truly knowledgeable about 3 or 4 species, much less 20.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That leads to what I see as the reality
in the home landscape.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We wait
until the problem has become a crisis; that is when we notice it.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The plant has lost its leaves, or is
wilted badly, or has lost huge chunks of leaves from something.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Since I am cynical enough to believe we
will never educate the homeowner on the front end (learn to prevent problems or
solve them in their beginning stages), so I say let’s begin to teach them that
when they have taken the major step to solve the immediate crisis, they need to
now begin to understand that their plant was probably in stress before the
insect or disease struck, and now they need to learn about how to reduce that
stress culturally without pesticides so the problem doesn’t come back. This
leads to a plant by plant approach, but one I think can be sold to the general
public.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If a plant never has a
problem, they don’t have to take any time to learn about it.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If a plant is hit with a crisis
requiring very reactive fast behavior, at least their attention has been gotten
and maybe they will listen to the need to learn more about caring for that
particular plant over time to reduce or eliminate problems with that plant in
the future. It’s a slow process, but one that I think can be communicated and
sold.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>IPM
requires that we gain our knowledge on the front end ahead of the problem, and
I’m suggesting we will be more successful selling the need to gain knowledge
after the problem, when we’ve got their immediate attention.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hope that
doesn’t seem too convoluted.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The
approach seems to work for my audience.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Later,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jeff Ball<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Nan Sterman
[n*@plantsoup.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 04, 2001
8:40 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Gardenwriters@topica.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [GWL]: Organic Style
Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jeff,</span></font><font
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I suspect
that your definition of IPM and mine are a bit different. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>To me, IPM is
an approach that starts with observing the situation and deciding whether there
is a problem. From there, one proceeds to determining the threshold level
of that problem, i.e. is it a problem I can live with or is it one that needs
some attention. The next step is to determine whether the problem can be
resolved by a change in cultural practices or some other "non-treatment"
method. If that doesn't work, start with the least invasive or least
toxic treatment for the problem, and so on. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The bottom
line is that not every problem is solved by a chemical (natural or synthetic),
but when a problem does need to be addressed that way, start with the least
environmentally damaging approach and proceed from there. In my
experience, 99% of the problems encountered can be solved by changing cultural
practices or use of non-synthetic treatments.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>EPM is a new
term to me, please explain...</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nan,</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>IPM is a
wonderful commercial technique, but I don't believe it is appropriate to the
home landscape nor for the average homeowner. It works best in the
monoculture of the farm, while the home landscape is a very varied
ecosystem. IPM is successful when monitoring is done properly.
Monitoring as required by IPM is not feasible for the average homeowner nor
even the average gardener, in my view. It's hard to do and requires
considerable knowledge to do properly. IPM makes good use of certain
beneficial insects that are appropriate because they are specific to certain
pests. On the other hand, in the home landscape, the three best
beneficials are ants, spiders and ground beetles, but they are not specific; but
far more important than the lady bugs, green lacewings, and tricho wasps in the
total scheme of things. Finally, the insecticides of choice for most IPM
experts I know are light hort oil and insecticidal soap. These are two
pesticides that are very difficult to use effectively by an amateur; timing and
application techniques being so defined and critical. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now if
you want to talk about EPM, ecological pest management, then you are on to
something for the home gardener. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jeff
Ball</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Nan Sterman
[n*@plantsoup.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 04, 2001
7:27 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Gardenwriters@topica.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [GWL]: Organic Style
Magazine (was: Gardening magazines)</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>However,
IMHO, the major reason that organic has been misunderstood in this country was
a disrespect for the consumer's intelligence. When you were writing for Rodale,
you had to take out anything that smacked of "science," use an
8th-grade vocabulary, and make certain all your constructions were simple. It
was impossible to write as if you were writing to peers; you had to write
down, down, down. You couldn't even explain the science in simple language.
This was disastrous. It gutted the concepts, eventually eroding them until all
that was left was a narrow concern about human health. Rodale did it because
they wanted to popularize organic methods and they believed that this was the
way to do it. Maybe they were correct.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Oh I
see! I always wondered what repulsed me about OG. I subscribed many
many years ago and the tone and information was so cult-like that I gave up my
subscription as soon as it expired, though I was very involved in non-chemical
agriculture (and still am). IPM has always appealed to me greatly and
largely because of its scientific approach to treating problems, starting with
the least intervention and moving slowly from there. OG was (and in some
ways still seems to be) like religion and I believe in the separation of church
and garden.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Give me the
science behind the fanatacism and I'll consider it. No science, no deal.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thanks
Miranda</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Can we work
IPM into this discussion?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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