Re: Merit related to Colony Collapse Disorder??

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GWL:There's been another explanation, too. Seems  that organic bee folks do 
not make cutout plastic templates for the bees to use when building a hive 
while the commercial folks, do. The individual cell sizes of bee hives vary 
according to many environmental and bee-social conditions and they change 
the length of each of the six sides accordingly. But with the template, 
everything is identical and something goes amiss with the bees. Also, Tom is 
correct that ground water all over the country is being continually polluted 
and we've just begun to see the changes that will be wrought down the line..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Alexander" <tom@growingedge.com>
To: <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [GWL] Merit related to Colony Collapse Disorder??


> Whether or not we wait for scientific studies on this chemical crap,
> a statement in your post below says it all... the chemicals are
> showing up in the ground water (not only on Long Island but around
> the world.) Herein lies the problem. People who have no problem
> eating, drinking and breathing these chemicals; well, they have no
> problem. However, a growing number of people around the world do have
> a problem ingesting these chemicals whether they are scientifically
> safe or not.    I have been fortunate to drink very clean well water
> (that has been tested for chemicals several times over the years)
> from Oregon foothills or mountains for the past 30 years. Sometimes
> when I drink municipal water or from other sources, my taste buds can
> taste the chemicals, sometimes so much so, that I cannot swallow it.
>
> Common sense dictates that chemical crap in our water systems is not
> good. Some people believe "better living through chemicals"; I don't.
>
> Especially when these "scientists" are participating in the revolving
> door policy of our government. Scientists who once worked for the
> chemical company but now work for the EPA sub contractor or the Dept.
> of Ag sub contractor are conducting the "scientific study." I have no
> faith in the scientific study. Money talks and we all ingest chemical
> crap whether or not it is "scientifically safe."
>
> I remember being so naive 30 years ago when I brought some liquid
> seaweed and dried humic acid to Oregon State University asking an ag
> professor to do some research on those substances and he laughed
> almost uncontrollably to my face and said there is no money in that
> stuff. He said, "We get all of our research money from the chemical
> companies." In other words, he knew what side his bread is buttered.
> Could that have influenced the results of his research. I'm sure we
> will never know but only guess...
>
> Tom Alexander
> tom@growingedge.com
>
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2007, at 9:00 AM, gardenwriters-request@lists.ibiblio.org
> wrote:
>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:47:53 EDT
>> From: Hamptongar@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [GWL] Merit related to Colony Collapse Disorder??
>> To: gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org
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>> I'm open minded about the link between CCD and Merit...HOWEVER  the
>> references to Imidacloprid as being 'new' raises some other red
>> flags as  this product
>> has been available in the US for at least 15 years and possibly
>> longer.  From
>> what I know of it it's not terribly persistent and thus needs  to be
>> reapplied every year when used for grub control...and when it's
>> applied at  the wrong
>> time...let's say May instead of July in the East...it can be
>> ineffective due
>> to it's short active life.  Now having said this...and  still being
>> open
>> minded, I have to add that Suffolk County has banned it's use  by
>> homeowners....but
>> not due to it's potential affect on bees but because it was
>> showing up in
>> ground water...a problem that Long Island had more than 25 years
>> ago with
>> aldibarb when it was used to control the Colorado potato  beetle.
>>
>> So, before we start jumping out of windows...can anyone shed  more
>> light on
>> the scientific aspects of Imidaclorprid and how it might be
>> affecting bee
>> populations?
>>
>>
>> Andrew Messinger
>> The Hampton Gardener
>>
>> The Hampton Gardener is a Registered Trade  Mark
>> (Published every Thursday in the Southampton Press, The Press and the
>> Easthampton Press)
>
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