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Re: Gardenweb web site

Traveler200000@aol.com wrote:
RE:>>To truly "WIN" is to surrender, give up and free ones self of the
burden that out weights all others, the driving "need" to be "better than."
Hello Jim,
The desire to "win" is different for lots of folks.  I would say, however, that I have much more fun when I'm in a group of "winners" than when I'm surrounded by a group of "losers".  You know the type; "Woe is me, the world has had it in for me since I was born and I'm helpless to do anything about it".  If you feel the angony of defeat often enough, one begins to want to work harder at finishing a little closer to the lead dog.   ("If you are not the lead dog, the scenery never changes" comes to mind).

I feel that working hard, and smart, to achieve your God given potential and doing it with such fervor that if you can't win then you are making the one ahead of you break the record, then you're paying due respect to your ancestors who perhaps sweated long and hard so that YOU could have get a break in life--your life wouldn't have to be one of constant struggle.

Sure, you can be altruistic, and I am very much a giving kind of person, but I have to agree with Helen Williams--were it not for the competitive spirit in man, we would still be going to town having to watch out for the fresh horse manure in the streets.  We wouldn't have such a thing as the Salk vaccine.  We wouldn't have the genome mapping of Arabidopsis Thaliana, or the near completion of the same for Humans.  These types of efforts take lots of person years, and they get very competitive so sometimes, after long hours and no results, much of what people have to hold onto is the thrill of victory--the thrill of winning!  

You are right Jim, winning isn't everything.  It's the ONLY thing.  However, please note that I never agree with achievement that comes at the expense of others.  There is no ecstacy of victory when it comes from trampling others on the road to the the finish line.  No, a winning spirit pushes and pulls man on to greater accomplishments, and this is part of what is in the blood of a winner.  Think what the world would be like if Hitler had succeeded and if we had not been determined to be winners.  

Spike at the Gardenweb (finally back on topic) has done a superb job of putting together an excellent forum for lots of folks who enjoy discussing plants.  I know of no web site that enjoys a larger market share, simply because there is no one that is providing a better service.  So, in that regard, Spike is "the lead dog" and the one who has set the standard of what a "winner" looks like in that industry.

And, if you don't like winning at what you do, maybe we're describing this concept differently.  Do you have goals that you want to accomplish?  Well, when you accomplish them, you are a winner!  :-)

RE:>>   I take TOTAL issue with your statement. I perceive that "Winning is not about making everyone a friend" but being "a friend to man."

I sure notice a lot of long faces on the sports teams that lose relative to those who win.  Losing sucks.  I never start anything intending to lose.  If people become friends in the process, great, but most people don't want to work as hard as a winner so it doesn't surprise me that many winners are out in front, and all alone.  That's the price they pay for achieving what God would allow them to, by using their gifts and doing so with the determination to either win, or to make the one ahead of them break the record.

Andrew Lietzow
#1 Plantsman at http://hostahaven.com
1250 41st St
Des Moines, IA 50311-2516

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