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Destruction of hopsta-open?

I am not a member of the American Hosta Society, have no desire to 
join and have little concern whether or not it continues in existance. 
However, I do know that some people like Jim Hawes and others care 
very much about the AHS and what is happening with the society.  I can 
sympathize with them because I have had to deal with the same kind of 
idiotic behavior in the daylily society where board members are, among 
other things, allowed to make false allegations and even use forged 
documents to kick people off "their" robin that they don't like.  It 
seems that the greed for power that exists within the hosta society 
exists in just about all plant organizations.

I've corresponded with Jim Hawes for about a year now and I find him 
to be a very honorable person who cares very much about hostas and the 
hosta society.  He is also a person like myself who is not afraid to 
speak out, who likes a search for the truth and who doesn't get 
impressed by blowhearts.  

Recently there has been some complaints about all the political stuff 
on hosta-open with one member setting up a new robin that excludes 
"political" discussions.  Much of this political stuff has centered 
around Jim Hawes and his desires to reform the AHS.  I've discussed 
some of this with Jim in private correspondance and he recently told 
me a few things that sort of clicked together for me.

It seems that someone on hosta-open remarked about something Jim said 
about someone else that Jim didn't word quite as precisely as it 
should have been worded.  Carolyn S. picked up on this and apparently 
made a fictitious charge against Jim, claiming someone filed a protest 
against Jim on the AHS robin that apperently never was made.  She 
applied the AHS guidelines as if Jim made the remark on the AHS robin 
that Carolyn has total control over. It is becoming clear to me that 
this charge was made up for the specific purpose of getting Jim ticked 
off because THEY know Jim is the fighting type that doesn't take this 
type of BS and that Jim would post messages on hosta-open about this. 
They also know that certain people on hosta-open don't get excited 
about political stuff on hosta-open.  Thus, get Jim to post yet 
another political message on hosta-open to irritate these people who 
want to only talk about "hostas" and encourage them to start a new 
robin!  It is clear to me that Carolyn S. and others in the AHS have 
been plotting and scheming to destroy hosta-open and that they used 
unsuspecting members of hosta-open to help them carry out this goal by 
encouraging them to set up a new robin that doesn't allow political 

Joe Halinar

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