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Re: Destruction of hopsta-open?

Destruction of hosta-open?

Can't see it happening.

First there was the first AHS robin.
This robin had police who were publicly known.
Then it was shut down without notice.

Second there was Hosta-open. It was started to fill the void.
Many  members joined hosta-open from the closed AHS robin.
No one has ever been warned about a posting. That includes Butch R. who
once even used the "F" word in a posting.

Third there was the new AHS robin(the present one)
This robin we are told is monitored by three secret police.

Fourth there was AHSpol.
A listserve started by Clyde C. for the discussion of AHS politics.

Fifth there was Pixlist.
A group of internet photo enthusiast with no listserve.

Sixth there was NISE.
Started by Bill Nash to discuss hosta hybridizing or anything you

Seventh there was Hostapix.
Bill Nash started Hostapix as a listserve to serve the members of

Eighth there was HostaTalk.
Started by Patty W. to talk about hostas without any club politics.

Do any of these listserves threaten Hosta-open?

Definitely not. I see everyone that is on these listserves as an ally.

I belong to all of the above listserves because I don't want to miss

The only drawback to belonging to all of these listserves is many of us,
myself included, post to several listserves at one time. This results in
many of us receiving multiple postings of the same post.

Even this is no major problem.

Cause I just delete 'em.

I would imagine the AHS is not too happy at times with Hosta-open. I do
hope they have not sunk so low as to plot to destroy Hosta-open. We have
a few new members from Michigan that have join Hosta-open and seem bent
on telling some of us what we should be talking about. Don't worry. I
can tell by their postings that they have the right attitude for
Hosta-open. We want members that will speak up. And act up, too.

For instance, when Jim L. signed on and said he did not agree with some
aspects of the I.A.C., I thought, Great! Another Ally. Then he went
after my good friend, Jim Hawes. I figured, oh well, agreeing with Jim
L. on one topic out of two ain't bad.

Just keep posting folks. We aren't going anywhere for a long, long time.

Dan Nelson
Bridgeville DE
zone 7

----- Original Message -----
From: <halinar@open.org>
To: <hosta-open@mallorn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 12:48 PM
Subject: Destruction of hopsta-open?

I am not a member of the American Hosta Society, have no desire to
join and have little concern whether or not it continues in existance.
However, I do know that some people like Jim Hawes and others care
very much about the AHS and what is happening with the society.  I can
sympathize with them because I have had to deal with the same kind of
idiotic behavior in the daylily society where board members are, among
other things, allowed to make false allegations and even use forged
documents to kick people off "their" robin that they don't like.  It
seems that the greed for power that exists within the hosta society
exists in just about all plant organizations.

I've corresponded with Jim Hawes for about a year now and I find him
to be a very honorable person who cares very much about hostas and the
hosta society.  He is also a person like myself who is not afraid to
speak out, who likes a search for the truth and who doesn't get
impressed by blowhearts.

Recently there has been some complaints about all the political stuff
on hosta-open with one member setting up a new robin that excludes
"political" discussions.  Much of this political stuff has centered
around Jim Hawes and his desires to reform the AHS.  I've discussed
some of this with Jim in private correspondance and he recently told
me a few things that sort of clicked together for me.

It seems that someone on hosta-open remarked about something Jim said
about someone else that Jim didn't word quite as precisely as it
should have been worded.  Carolyn S. picked up on this and apparently
made a fictitious charge against Jim, claiming someone filed a protest
against Jim on the AHS robin that apperently never was made.  She
applied the AHS guidelines as if Jim made the remark on the AHS robin
that Carolyn has total control over. It is becoming clear to me that
this charge was made up for the specific purpose of getting Jim ticked
off because THEY know Jim is the fighting type that doesn't take this
type of BS and that Jim would post messages on hosta-open about this.
They also know that certain people on hosta-open don't get excited
about political stuff on hosta-open.  Thus, get Jim to post yet
another political message on hosta-open to irritate these people who
want to only talk about "hostas" and encourage them to start a new
robin!  It is clear to me that Carolyn S. and others in the AHS have
been plotting and scheming to destroy hosta-open and that they used
unsuspecting members of hosta-open to help them carry out this goal by
encouraging them to set up a new robin that doesn't allow political

Joe Halinar

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