Re: Re: New Name?
WIN I am perfectly well
aware that the list owners allowed this debate to take place. That was
their right as list owners. You want a free and open list, that's
fine. That includes my right to say that the debate has been a waste of
time and space. Contrary to what you apparantly believe, free speech does not
only apply to those who agree with you.
It does not matter in
the least if we are now all convinced that plagarism took place, or that there
was a conspiracy to cover it up. It doesn't even matter if we are all now
convinced that the current AHS board were on the grassy knoll in Dallas.
Why? Because our being convinced of it makes no
Don't like the current AHS board? Run
against them. If you can convince enough voting members that you can do a
better job, or that your opponants have done something unethical, you'll get
them out of office.
Think that Ben committed plagarism?
Been 20 years since I was in an academic setting, but I seem to remember there
are suitable remedies to that. Prove it to somebody that matters, like the
appropriate review comittee at his university. They are a lot better
equipped to decide on the matter than we are, and can do something about it if
they are convinced.
Whining about how terrible things are to a
bunch of people who already agree with you does nothing constructive, and I
doubt it even does all that much to relieve the frustration, as it just becomes
a self reinforcing cycle.
.For your information Robert, the
HOSTA-OPEN LIST-OWNERS allowed an open debate on the "plagiarism
question" for the very purpose of getting to the bottom of the
plagiarism issue. This Plagiarism debate was outlawed on another Robin
which suggests a cover-up; and was therefore, allowed on 'Hosta Open' for
the very purpose (getting to the bottom of this?) <<---IS THAT CLEAR
ENOUGH TO YOU BOB? I'm not too impressed by your statement "stop
whining about it in a public forum" particularly when, the list owners
themselves called on this debate to settle it. And particularly when,
I only saw factual statements coming from MR. Hawes. If you prefer
"Hosta only words typed at you Robert?" I'd suggest, you go
to that OTHER Robin and stay there!
related to plagiarism by Ben Zonneveld, was proven beyond a shadow of a
doubt; and if, you had bothered to read any of Jim's data presented,
you would have seen this Robert! Do you know what
"Applegate" refers to?
The question as to whether or not BZ
committed plagiary, is no longer the issue here! The question now is:
"WHAT AHS HIERARCHIAL CONSPIRACY WAS IN ALLIANCE WITH BEN
ZONNEVELD?" for the very purpose of satisfying AHS needs/wants of a
re-write on the Benedict Cross & Artist's Palette Clanning & Wheel
concepts already published before Ben took his pen out; in order that, these
writings would fall in line with AHS Hierarchy "cultivar-grouping wants
& requirements opposed to clanning" and under AHS registration
needs/wants pertaining to....
no·men·cla·tor (no¹men-klâ´ter) noun
One who assigns names, as in scientific classification.
nomenclâtor, a slave who accompanied
his master to tell him the names of people he met, variant of nomenculâtor : nomen, name + calâtor, servant, crier (from calâre, to call).]
William Nash Guelph Ontario