mostly I enjoy your comments and generally you present a good case. I
agree with you that there has been a lot of people that have never
received the return ( or what was due them) for their work as
hybridizes. What I can not understand is why you think letting the practice
continue is going to make the wrong of the past into a right for the
may convince some people that thieves are not out to steal hostas but if
you do you have done them and injustice.
I'm sorry Ran, I forgot that you are getting old
and all this plant breeding and evaluating seems like such drudgery to
you. Many of us who are still in our prime consider it to be the most
fun you can have with a hosta. I'm not sure where you decided that we
thought that $5.00 is a fair return for all your work. If that's all you
can clear from your plant you need to sit down with me next time we see each
other and talk about marketing and pricing.
I guess I can't convince you that the hosta thieves are not out to steal
your plant, I hear that you get paranoid as you get old too. All I can
say is it hasn't happened to me and it seems to me that there are ways for
anyone with a young, agile mind to get what I think is a fair reward for all
this sweat and toil we put into our efforts.
And still, nobody has explained to me why all of a sudden we think this is
so terrible. You buy tc plants and you know that the breeders are not
getting a dime for the plants you buy. If this is so wrong, aren't you a
part of the "problem". (I like the way you put that word in quotes in
your other post, sort of like, this so called "problem"). Why are you
buying and selling these tainted plants? Let's you guys show these
"crooks" what we think of them. I think you should boycott them.
Your young friend,
Ransom Lydell wrote:
RayLet's look at some thinking that has not been presented so
far.Chick has indicated that
the " originator" may not have all that many expenses. Here are the
facts. My average for a "potential "new plant" to grow on and observe,
is about one in 4000. Each year I select around 75 to 100 plants for
this. These are planted in a "special" bed, and labeled. It will
take another two years, ( except for plants selected for blooms, that takes
much longer) to start to pick out a few small clumps that "look good"
For me the next phase, is to place a few of these plants in "test gardens"
and ask for results and opinion of the host. I will in the meantime,
plant the remaining pieces in several kinds of locations here at Eagle
Bay. The results and "best conditions" are all noted as are all
comments by the "test gardens" this is a process that takes another 3
to 4 years. During that time, assuming the plant seems to have
potential, pictures and stats are taken for registration. The plus
here is this has given me time to "build stock", although many plants do not
"pass muster" and are discarded,or never offered for sale. At this
point, the "market" has to be introduced to the plant. Obviously,it
needs a name that will be attractive. It must be shown in as many
forums, as one can find, including leaf shows and shows like "First
Look" If the introducer is lucky, the plant will slowly become "sought
after" If the introducer is extremely lucky, it will make a "hit" somewhere,
and be an "overnight" success. Any thought that a fair return for all
this effort, is the noted 5.00 cost, is just plain wrong. The best
answer for me has been to "sit on it" until I have a quantity of stock
ready, or to have private Tc work done by some one who will not "loose" my
plant. You may then want to offer the "stock" to someone who can
market it for you.ThanksRan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:56
Subject: Re: Breeders'
Rights Everybody commenting seems to be in the nursery
business, except Bill which
I am not sure of. What outlets do the
hybridizers (not in the business) use
to get a return on their plants.
There are a good handful of breeders on
this listserve whom would
probably like a little direction here (myself
> Chick wrote:
> but I'm not
> > going to
whine about other people making a buck off my plants when
that's how I've been making a living for all these years.