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RE: Breeders' Rights

  • Subject: RE: Breeders' Rights
  • From: "Mary Chastain" <mc_hosta@Bellsouth.net>
  • Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:27:10 -0400
  • Importance: Normal

Chick mostly I enjoy your comments and generally you present a good case. I agree with you that there has been a lot of people that have never received the return ( or what was due them) for their work as hybridizes. What I can not understand is why you think letting the practice continue is going to make the wrong of the past into a right for the future.
You may convince some people that thieves are not out to steal hostas  but if you do you have done them and injustice.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hosta-open@mallorn.com [mailto:owner-hosta-open@mallorn.com]On Behalf Of Chick
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:36 PM
To: hosta-open@mallorn.com
Subject: Re: Breeders' Rights

I'm sorry Ran, I forgot that you are getting old and all this plant breeding and evaluating seems like such drudgery to you.  Many of us who are still in our prime consider it to be the most fun you can have with a hosta.  I'm not sure where you decided that we thought that $5.00 is a fair return for all your work.  If that's all you can clear from your plant you need to sit down with me next time we see each other and talk about marketing and pricing.

I guess I can't convince you that the hosta thieves are not out to steal your plant, I hear that you get paranoid as you get old too.  All I can say is it hasn't happened to me and it seems to me that there are ways for anyone with a young, agile mind to get what I think is a fair reward for all this sweat and toil we put into our efforts.

And still, nobody has explained to me why all of a sudden we think this is so terrible.  You buy tc plants and you know that the breeders are not getting a dime for the plants you buy.  If this is so wrong, aren't you a part of the "problem".  (I like the way you put that word in quotes in your other post, sort of like, this so called "problem").  Why are you buying and selling these tainted plants?  Let's you guys show these "crooks" what we think of them.  I think you should boycott them.

Your young friend,

Ransom Lydell wrote:

RayLet's look at some thinking that has not been presented so far.Chick has indicated that the " originator" may not have all that many expenses.  Here are the facts.  My average for a "potential "new plant" to grow on and observe, is about one in 4000.  Each year I select around 75 to 100 plants for this.  These are planted in a "special" bed, and labeled.  It will take another two years, ( except for plants selected for blooms, that takes much longer) to start to pick out a few small clumps that "look good"  For me the next phase, is to place a few of these plants in "test gardens" and ask for results and opinion of the host.  I will in the meantime, plant the remaining pieces in several kinds of locations here at Eagle Bay.  The results and "best conditions" are all noted as are all comments by the "test gardens"  this is a process that takes another 3 to 4 years.  During that time, assuming the plant seems to have potential, pictures and stats are taken for registration.  The plus here is this has given me time to "build stock", although many plants do not "pass muster" and are discarded,or never offered for sale.  At this point, the "market" has to be introduced to the plant.  Obviously,it needs a name that will be attractive.  It must be shown in as many forums, as one can find, including leaf shows and shows like "First Look"  If the introducer is lucky, the plant will slowly become "sought after" If the introducer is extremely lucky, it will make a "hit" somewhere, and be an "overnight" success.  Any thought that a fair return for all this effort, is the noted 5.00 cost, is just plain wrong.  The best answer for me has been to "sit on it" until I have a quantity of stock ready, or to have private Tc work done by some one who will not "loose" my plant.  You may then want to offer the "stock" to someone who can market it for you.ThanksRan
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray W
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Breeders' Rights
 Everybody commenting seems to be in the nursery business, except Bill which
I am not sure of. What outlets do the hybridizers (not in the business) use
to get a return on their plants. There are a good handful of breeders on
this listserve whom would probably like a little direction here (myself


Bob wrote:

> Chick wrote:
>  but I'm not
> > going to whine about other people making a buck off my plants when
> > that's how I've been making a living for all these years.

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