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Who are we referring to as thieves? I'm not sure what I'm arguing
against.
Not that that has ever stopped me before.
Chick
Mary Chastain wrote:
Chick
mostly I enjoy your comments and generally you present a good case. I agree
with you that there has been a lot of people that have never received the
return ( or what was due them) for their work as hybridizes. What I can
not understand is why you think letting the practice continue is going
to make the wrong of the past into a right for the future.You
may convince some people that thieves are not out to steal hostas
but if you do you have done them and injustice. Mary
I'm sorry Ran, I forgot that you are getting old and all this plant breeding
and evaluating seems like such drudgery to you. Many of us who are
still in our prime consider it to be the most fun you can have with a hosta.
I'm not sure where you decided that we thought that $5.00 is a fair return
for all your work. If that's all you can clear from your plant you
need to sit down with me next time we see each other and talk about marketing
and pricing.
I guess I can't convince you that the hosta thieves are not out to steal
your plant, I hear that you get paranoid as you get old too. All
I can say is it hasn't happened to me and it seems to me that there are
ways for anyone with a young, agile mind to get what I think is a fair
reward for all this sweat and toil we put into our efforts.
And still, nobody has explained to me why all of a sudden we think this
is so terrible. You buy tc plants and you know that the breeders
are not getting a dime for the plants you buy. If this is so wrong,
aren't you a part of the "problem". (I like the way you put that
word in quotes in your other post, sort of like, this so called "problem").
Why are you buying and selling these tainted plants? Let's you guys
show these "crooks" what we think of them. I think you should boycott
them.
Your young friend,
Chick
Ransom Lydell wrote:
RayLet's
look at some thinking that has not been presented so far.Chick has indicated
that the " originator" may not have all that many expenses. Here
are the facts. My average for a "potential "new plant" to grow on
and observe, is about one in 4000. Each year I select around 75 to
100 plants for this. These are planted in a "special" bed, and labeled.
It will take another two years, ( except for plants selected for blooms,
that takes much longer) to start to pick out a few small clumps that "look
good" For me the next phase, is to place a few of these plants in
"test gardens" and ask for results and opinion of the host. I will
in the meantime, plant the remaining pieces in several kinds of locations
here at Eagle Bay. The results and "best conditions" are all noted
as are all comments by the "test gardens" this is a process that
takes another 3 to 4 years. During that time, assuming the plant
seems to have potential, pictures and stats are taken for registration.
The plus here is this has given me time to "build stock", although many
plants do not "pass muster" and are discarded,or never offered for sale.
At this point, the "market" has to be introduced to the plant. Obviously,it
needs a name that will be attractive. It must be shown in as many
forums, as one can find, including leaf shows and shows like "First Look"
If the introducer is lucky, the plant will slowly become "sought after"
If the introducer is extremely lucky, it will make a "hit" somewhere, and
be an "overnight" success. Any thought that a fair return for all
this effort, is the noted 5.00 cost, is just plain wrong. The best
answer for me has been to "sit on it" until I have a quantity of stock
ready, or to have private Tc work done by some one who will not "loose"
my plant. You may then want to offer the "stock" to someone who can
market it for you.ThanksRan
----- Original Message -----
From:
w*@oh.verio.com
To: hosta-open@mallorn.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Breeders' Rights
Everybody commenting seems to be in the nursery business, except
Bill which
I am not sure of. What outlets do the hybridizers (not in the business)
use
to get a return on their plants. There are a good handful of breeders
on
this listserve whom would probably like a little direction here (myself
included).
Ray
Bob wrote:
> Chick wrote:
> but I'm not
> > going to whine about other people making a buck off my plants when
> > that's how I've been making a living for all these years.
>
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