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Andrew,
I will make one political statement. After
listing to the news this evening, this may not be over by this time next
week.
Jim A.
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From:
a*@hostahaven.com
To: hosta-open@mallorn.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:36
PM
Subject: Re: Political stuff
Hi Beth,
It really is amazing how people can come at this
from such different perspectives. You really believe that big
corporations have any interest in your well being? Wowzer... Rush
Limbaugh would be pleased...
Take a look at this site for info on the Dow Jones averages. http://averages.dowjones.com/home.html
Here they say such things as; "In the decade since it began -- on Oct. 11,
1990, by the reckoning of many stock-market gurus -- the total value of
all U.S. stocks has soared to $15 trillion from $3 trillion. Investors'
appetite for stock has become so voracious that, despite the market's black
eye this year, they have bought a record $72.3 billion in new stock
issues this year, compared with a trifling $4.5 billion in 1990. Today, for
the first time ever, half of all American households own stock, compared with
just one-third of households in 1989".
While the natioal debt increased a whoping $4,383,000,000 from 1981 to 1993
(the Reagan Bush years), the increase from 1993 to 2001 was
$1,263,000,000. In the last fiscal year, the national debt has actually
been reduced by a little over $100 Billion. See this site for more
info - http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm
I think the country will continue to enjoy performance like this--made
possible by a Democratic President balanced by a Congress that has a very
small Republican majority. I personally like this balance and believe it
is good for the country. I believe you would find that NO
Congressional representatives, or Senators, back the Bush tax reduction
plan. It is entirely too agreessive and we need to continue to pay down
the national debt IF we are to stimulate the economy.
This is one reason that Al Gore won the popular vote and one reason that he is
currently only 8 electoral votes shy of winning the electoral college
vote. Not because Al is that great of a candidate, but because the
country likes having a Democrat in the President's office to help balance out
the Congress. The Gore plan was to pay off the national debt by
2012. The Bush plan had no projected date. Why?
Because he would rather give the money back to us so that we could go blow it
on pizza...
One exciting part apart this conversation is that it will all be over by
this time next week. Then Viva la Hosta!!!
Andrew L.
Beth Arnold wrote:
I think you'll find a near doubling of total valuation of the
DOW in the eight years under President Clinton Sorry, you will never convince me that Clinton had anything to do
with the doubling of the DOW. This Clinton/Gore Administration also
had nothing to do with the economy either. Anyone and everyone should
know that the economy has to do with the businesses and the people in this
country, not any president. A tax cut puts more money back into the
pockets of the people to spend which makes business better. The
largest tax increase on the people in history came at the hands of the
Clinton/Gore Adm. in 1992 or 1993, my memory on the year eludes me at the
moment. This is where the surplus came from and this was part of the
plan. People have short memories. I think you'll
find a near doubling of total valuation of the DOW in the eight years under
President Clinton THis has stuck in my brain and I must
admit it does sound good but I must see if I can find more statistics
pertaining to this matter. What and how many sources do
you use for your information?Beth Arnold
Peoria Illinois
Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From:a*@hostahaven.com
To: hosta-open@mallorn.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000
10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Political
stuff Hello again, Beth,
Wall Street seemed to love our
having a Democrat for President with a slim majority of Republicans in
Congress--I think you'll find a near doubling of total valuation of the
DOW in the eight years under President Clinton. I am MUCH more in
favor of moderate deadlock than I am of letting EITHER side have control
of both branches, simultaneously. Under Reagan, our national debt
went from 1 Trillion to close to 5 trillion, as I recall (if someone wants
to point me to more accurate statistics, I'm all for it). If the
last eight years were given credit for nothing else (and the credit MUST
go to both branches of the government), returning us to fiscal sanity and
a budget surplus is worth some serious accolades. I believe a
bunch of the credit for a reduction of nearly 350,000 federal jobs needs
to go to President Clinton and the Whitehouse Administration. Wasn't
it he that came to the Whitehouse and laid off a whole slew of folks in
order to increase efficiency? I do believe he was the first
President in decades to have done so.
If it hadn't been for Kenneth Starr and that Goldxxxx woman wanting to
tell me about private matters that I personally did not believe I needed
to know about, I believe he would have had a pretty stellar
performance. Now, unfortunately, I know more about his personal sex
life than I ever cared to know. Certainly, if this had occurred to
be, the public airing of my personal life, I would have been seeking
asyllum in another country where the gestapo tactics of the Kenneth Starr
team who have been quashed a long time before that squad got so out of
control. Watch the C-Span tapes on the House Hearing if you
don't believe that we were being moved toward a gestapo type of political
climate. That vote for impeachment was 100% down party lines,
even when it didn't make sense to pursue, as President Ford had told the
House leadership at the onset.
I find it hard to believe that you don't see the longest sustained
period of economic growth since we started keeping records as somewhat of
an accomplishment...
Now, about those Hostas!
Andrew L.
Beth Arnold wrote:
<< Eight years of nothing actually gained,
with everyone else getting the blame for Democrat failers,
>>
Of course the Republican-controlled Congress had absolutely nothing
to do
with this. Right?
When a president continually threatens to veto everything sent to him
for a
signature unless there is something in it for him is the
reason I see why
nothing got done. He is now threatening to
veto the budget if he doesn't
get his way on lawbreaking illegal
immigrants. His provision only gives the
lawbreakers rights to
live in America as citizens and not the ones who are
here
lawfully. Everyone is scratching their head over this one.
Beth Arnold
Peoria Illinois Zone 5
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