RE: Hosta Phoenix / / / / Political Rant

Denise,
 
I stayed on the Phoenix robin back when people were signing themselves off or being removed for their postings. I felt spineless, but I stayed. I have been removed before from earlier AHS robins. The Phoenix listserve is owned by Carolyn Schaffner and  she has decided that some people will not be on her listserve. I feel lucky that I have been allowed to stay on Phoenix. I post there sometimes but rarely will anyone respond to my postings. There is an attitude of exclusion that exist on the Phoenix listserv and it does not surprise me. I have seen this same attitude displayed by many members of the American Hosta Society. I believe the AHS has accumulated many members of similar mentality and many of these people have made it to the top of the AHS(along with many hangers on). I don't think hostas have very much to do with the enjoyment these members get out of the AHS. Plant societies are usually formed by plant loving people. After being in existence for a number of years people that get enjoyment out of manipulating people rise to the top and end up running things. (this was explained by Joe, I believe, some time back) This is a sad state of affairs but I believe it is the way things are today with the AHS.
 
Carolyn Schaffner today is on the Executive Board of the AHS. I believe this is largely due to the way she did not hesitate to remove people from the AHS robin that dared question AHS policy.
 
There is still quite a bit of interesting information about hostas on the Phoenix robin. I am sure it is even better if you do not know too much about the personalities involved. I still suggest that anyone that is allowed to sign on to the Phoenix robin should do so. It's not that bad having secret police judge your postings to determine allow-ability and having subjects tightly controlled.
 
The biggest problem the listserves have caused for the AHS is that they have allowed people to question AHS policy. This is why the AHS has closed 3 listserves in the past and is the reason that they do not endorse any listserves today.
 
With very few exceptions there are no postings from any member of the Executive Board of the AHS on the Phoenix. The internet is being almost totally ignored.
 
I guess it's not too hard to tell why I'm not so popular in AHS circles. As I've said before, knowing too much about the workings of the AHS subtracts rather than adds to my enjoyment of hostas.
 
Dan Nelson
Bridgeville DE.
-----Original Message----- 
From: owner-hosta-open@mallorn.com [mailto:owner-hosta-open@mallorn.com]On Behalf Of Denise Nakon
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:20 AM
To: hosta-open
Subject: Hosta Phoenix

Good morning to all. I am sitting here wondering why I am not being allowed to rejoin Hosta Phoenix. If I remember right, a while back, Carolyn Schaffner was whining because no one would let her in on the pixlist and she didn't think that was right. I'd like to ask her if it's 'right' to keep selected people off the Phoenix.
 
Denise Nakon
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