Hi Alby, Good method!!!! I shall give it a try :-) it is just that my hands tend to shake a bit when I am supposed to be careful ;-) not to do with anything else!!! Today a Pelargonium tongaense germinated in a pot..batch sown last year..so don't give up hope! P tongaense has turned out to be such erratic germinators for me! But I think of it as a pleasant surprise.... Pete? How do you do it? It would be nice to hear your opinion..that is unless you are smothered with flowers and Aquilegias?? Ingrid ;-))))) PS..Mimy..I recommend you drop Rachel Saunders at Silverhill an e-mail. Sh might be qable to put you in touch with 'somebody'...who might help!