I believe Duncan McAlpine has put a very comprehensive germination table on the net. I do not have the address at this time as my computer crashed and I lost my bookmarks. The one he put on the net was Thompson & Morgan's list from years past. If you can't find it I will see if I can get it from someone that I made a list for some time ago. Have we found out if we can send any photos on the rose list? The lily list can, the iris list can not. I do know that any film developed by Seattle Film Works can be put on disk by them and they then maintain a site where anyone can look at and enjoy them for several weeks. Patti p*@televar.com