In a message dated 97-09-05 04:27:53 EDT, you write: << We just did our August pruning for the late-summer/fall flush. My suggestion is to keep cutting until flower/growth production tapers off as the days become cooler; then let them harden off gradually. >> Ok thanks!! I am a little confused as to what hardening off is? It is when the canes get green? I notice that the ends are soft so is that what you mean? Annette zone 8