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  • Subject: [iris-photos] Re: HYB - UMBATA
  • From: "Paul Black" <midamerg@earthlink.net>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:46:03 -0000

Hi Chad,
This is also a new term for me.  It is a term that evidently came 
about in some of the earlier iris talk discussions.  My first 
encounter with it was a message from Linda Mann.  Linda, maybe you can 
cue us as to its origin.  I think it is one of those tentative 
descriptions given to a pattern to help aid in making the discussion 

Paul Black
Zone 8  Salem, Oregon

--- In iris-photos@egroups.com, Chad Schroter <chad.schroter@q...> 
> 	This is a new term for me, "Umbata"...  I ordered something 
> Barry called 'Touch of Mahogany', it is out of Copatonic. T.O.M. 
shows this
> same pattern and color (coffee brown with a bold burgundy center on 
> falls) as Copatonic, however there is also a spot or flush in the 
center of
> the Falls which is pale violet. There is no 'blending' of the 
burgundy and
> violet either. My guess is that a gene has suppressed all pigments 
in the
> center fall spot area except for the pale violet (anthocyanin?) - 
> the burgundy area is a combination of pale violet and some 
carotenoids ? 
> Chad Schroter
> Los Gatos CA Zone 9
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: PAUL BLACK [mailto:midamerg@e...]
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:11 PM
> >>>To: iris-photos@egroups.com
> >>>Subject: [iris-photos] RE: HYB - UMBATA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>This is probably a very involved, interactive pattern.  Some 
> >>>of the more
> >>>recent, distinctive work comes from Barry Blyth's lines 
> >>>which go back to
> >>>Peach Spot and further back to Snow Peach.  There are also 
> >>>the patterns
> >>>like Joyce Terry with the more defined banding.  A further 
> >>>would be the plicata bands.  The tall bearded gene pool is 
> >>>so mixed at
> >>>this point that it will take a lot of sorting to figure out what 
> >>>origins of these patterns are and how they relate to each 
> >>>other and to
> >>>other modifiers.  Barry Blyth's Copatonic is a really good 
example of
> >>>one of the phenotypic expressions of this pattern.  I'm attaching 
> >>>picture of H93A which is also a good example of an amoena type
> >>>expression.  Tom Johnson is one of the parents and Tom is 
> >>>directly from
> >>>Barry Blyth's bicolor line.  There are so many influences on 
> >>>this type
> >>>pattern that I am sure there are no easy answers.  When I 
> >>>use patterns
> >>>of this type, I approach it more from the vantage point of 
> >>>what happens
> >>>if I add more anthocyanin or add the carotenoid pigments or 
> >>>Of course, what happens with the interaction of these is still 
only a
> >>>guess.  All those unknowns is what makes it fun - and 
> >>>
> >>>Paul Black
> >>>Zone 8 Salem, Oregon
> >>>
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