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Re: Digest Number 540

  • Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Digest Number 540
  • From: Charlotte Holte <c_holte@execpc.com>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:58:45 -0600

Hi,

I keep getting these notices but I can't do anything with them.  How about some help.

Char

iris-photos@egroups.com wrote:

>
> There are 22 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. another spring pic
>            From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
>       2. Re: another spring pic
>            From: Barbara Jackson <jacksonb@brandonu.ca>
>       3. RE:Iris japonica
>            From: "Jan Jacobsen" <bulbs@worldonline.dk>
>       4. little girl
>            From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
>       5. Re: little girl
>            From: BigAlligator@aol.com
>       6. Re: spring bloom
>            From: Kitty <kitty@ojai.net>
>       7. Re: little girl
>            From: Kitty <kitty@ojai.net>
>       8. RE: HYB - UMBATA
>            From: PAUL BLACK <midamerg@earthlink.net>
>       9. RE:  PHOTO
>            From: PAUL BLACK <midamerg@earthlink.net>
>      10. RE: Mid-America Garden Spring Bloom
>            From: PAUL BLACK <midamerg@earthlink.net>
>      11. RE: Reb bearded green seedling
>            From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@netscape.net>
>      12. Re: HYB - UMBATA
>            From: irischapman@netscape.net
>      13. Re: RE:  PHOTO
>            From: Christopher Darlington <chris.darlington@sympatico.ca>
>      14. Re: I. attica
>            From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
>      15. Re: spring bloom
>            From: "sdkeller" <sdkeller@fcc.net>
>      16. Re: spring bloom
>            From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
>      17. Re: little girl
>            From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
>      18. Re: little girl
>            From: storylade@aol.com
>      19. RE: RE: HYB - UMBATA
>            From: Chad Schroter <chad.schroter@quantum.com>
>      20. RE:Flowerchild
>            From: "Jan Jacobsen" <bulbs@worldonline.dk>
>      21. Re: RE:Flowerchild
>            From: "sdkeller" <sdkeller@fcc.net>
>      22. Re: HYB - UMBATA
>            From: "Paul Black" <midamerg@earthlink.net>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:48:23 -0800
>    From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
> Subject: another spring pic
>
> Schreiner's display in may
> Mike
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:55:51 -0600
>    From: Barbara Jackson <jacksonb@brandonu.ca>
> Subject: Re: another spring pic
>
> Kind of reminds me of the iris trial garden at Wisley the spring of 1999!
> Sigh.
>
> BJ in SW MB
>
> At 10:48 AM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> >   Schreiner's display in may Mike
> >      eGroups Sponsor             Attachment Converted:
> >"n:\EUDORA\ATTACH\schreiner2.jpg"
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:25:17 +0100
>    From: "Jan Jacobsen" <bulbs@worldonline.dk>
> Subject: RE:Iris japonica
>
> Hi All
> Just a image of iris japonica , which have been blooming for a long period in the late autumn, even until the early of December.
> Jan Jacobsen -Denmark zone 4-6
> bulbs@worldonline.dk
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:57:36 -0800
>    From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
> Subject: little girl
>
> This is my favorite picture from last spring's bloom season.
> Mike
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:30:38 EST
>    From: BigAlligator@aol.com
> Subject: Re: little girl
>
> In a message dated 12/20/00 6:00:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> suttons@lightspeed.net writes:
>
> << This is my favorite picture from last spring's bloom season. >>
>
> Mike,
>      It looks like that little girl loves those flowers.
>
> Mark A. Cook
> BigAlligator@aol.com
> Dunnellon, Florida      [Low 16 F, High 43 F]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:54:01 -0800
>    From: Kitty <kitty@ojai.net>
> Subject: Re: spring bloom
>
> Thanks, Mike.  I'm not snowbound until tomorrow when we go to see the
> kids in CO but I loved the picture anyway.  I wonder if you ever get
> sated with these gorgeous photos?
> Kitty
>
> Mike Sutton wrote:
>
> > for all you snow bound folksMike
> >
> >
> >                       eGroups Sponsor
>   [Click Here!]
> >
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:58:03 -0800
>    From: Kitty <kitty@ojai.net>
> Subject: Re: little girl
>
> Mike,
> You should enter this in Birds and Blooms "Kindergarden" section.  It is
> priceless.
> Kitty
>
> Mike Sutton wrote:
>
> > This is my favorite picture from last spring's bloom season.Mike
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:11:17 -0800
>    From: PAUL BLACK <midamerg@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: HYB - UMBATA
>
> This is probably a very involved, interactive pattern.  Some of the more
> recent, distinctive work comes from Barry Blyth's lines which go back to
> Peach Spot and further back to Snow Peach.  There are also the patterns
> like Joyce Terry with the more defined banding.  A further addition
> would be the plicata bands.  The tall bearded gene pool is so mixed at
> this point that it will take a lot of sorting to figure out what the
> origins of these patterns are and how they relate to each other and to
> other modifiers.  Barry Blyth's Copatonic is a really good example of
> one of the phenotypic expressions of this pattern.  I'm attaching a
> picture of H93A which is also a good example of an amoena type
> expression.  Tom Johnson is one of the parents and Tom is directly from
> Barry Blyth's bicolor line.  There are so many influences on this type
> pattern that I am sure there are no easy answers.  When I use patterns
> of this type, I approach it more from the vantage point of what happens
> if I add more anthocyanin or add the carotenoid pigments or flavones.
> Of course, what happens with the interaction of these is still only a
> guess.  All those unknowns is what makes it fun - and frustrating.
>
> Paul Black
> Zone 8 Salem, Oregon
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:12:20 -0800
>    From: PAUL BLACK <midamerg@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE:  PHOTO
>
> Here is a shot of seedling Black F185AA.  Space age iris are a difficult
> subject to photograph.  It is from my Lookout Point and will be
> introduced in 2002.  I have shot quite a few pictures of it and never
> got one I liked.  Ken Coleman took this picture that I like very much.
> The usual technique of shooting straight into the beard and fall doesn't
> work with a lot of the space agers.
>
> Paul Black
> Zone 8  Salem, Oregon
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:16:57 -0800
>    From: PAUL BLACK <midamerg@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: Mid-America Garden Spring Bloom
>
> Several of you have e-mailed about our new garden in Oregon.  We love
> our new location and the growth and bloom we have gotten.  The slopes
> are a real challenge.  Farming on slopes like these in Oklahoma would be
> utter disaster.  All the soil would be in the creek.
>
> We do get a little uneasy when the wind blows.  We just spent all day
> Sunday, cleaning up debris from high winds earlier in the week.  As you
> can see, there are two +or- 120 foot fir trees that flank the corners of
> the house.  The winds from this storm were high enough I was just about
> ready to leave the house.
>
> It is also a nice reminder that winter solstice is tomorrow, YEA!
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Paul Black
> Zone 8  Salem, Oregon
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
>    Date: 20 Dec 00 21:44:48 EST
>    From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@netscape.net>
> Subject: RE: Reb bearded green seedling
>
> For christmas I present my best effort so far on my "christmas iris" project.
> I have been trying to get an introducable plant from this line for some time
> and this is the closest that I have come so far. The plant is still too narrow
> for my liking and the standards are a bit twisty. I have gotten greener iris,
> and ones with redder beards, and ones with much better form (but paler
> colours) but none with all factors together. I almost introduced this one, but
> I'm still hoping for more intense colour  and better form. This photo was
> taken when the flower was fresh, it does fade a bit in the sun.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
>    Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:52:07 -0000
>    From: irischapman@netscape.net
> Subject: Re: HYB - UMBATA
>
> I really like this one Paul. I'm always a sucker for unusual colour
> paterns and combinations.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 13
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:09:04 -0500
>    From: Christopher Darlington <chris.darlington@sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: RE:  PHOTO
>
> Wow , nice appendages !  This looks like a very large flower.
>
> I remember a few years ago as a beginner searching the web to try to
> identify some historic TBs that I inherited from my Grand Mother and the
> first site I stumbled upon the Sutton site .  When I looked at some of
> the seedlings I wondered what the heck these strange looking things were
> !  This was my first exposure to these incredible Space Age irises but
> definitely not my last.
>
> Thanks for sharing
>
> Chris Darlington
> Blainville Quebec
>
> PAUL BLACK wrote:
> >
> > Here is a shot of seedling Black F185AA.  Space age iris are a difficult
> > subject to photograph.  It is from my Lookout Point and will be
> > introduced in 2002.  I have shot quite a few pictures of it and never
> > got one I liked.  Ken Coleman took this picture that I like very much.
> > The usual technique of shooting straight into the beard and fall doesn't
> > work with a lot of the space agers.
> >
> > Paul Black
> > Zone 8  Salem, Oregon
> >
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  [Image]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 14
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:36:25 -0500
>    From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
> Subject: Re: I. attica
>
> I can't grow I. attica worth a darn here.  :(  I'm very jealous.
> --
> Dennis Kramb; dkramb@badbear.com
> Cincinnati, Ohio USA; USDA Zone 6
> http://www.badbear.com/dkramb/home.html
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 15
>    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:58:09 -0500
>    From: "sdkeller" <sdkeller@fcc.net>
> Subject: Re: spring bloom
>
> Thanks Mike! I needed that, for sure. Brrrrrrrrrrr.
> Sally Keller
> SE NY state, zone 6
> 22 degrees, windchill 5
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 16
>    Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:42:25 -0800
>    From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
> Subject: Re: spring bloom
>
> Hi Kitty,
> Good luck in CO.  And no, I don't think I even make a dent in my appetite.  :-0
> Mike
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Kitty
>   To: iris-photos@egroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 3:54 PM
>   Subject: Re: [iris-photos] spring bloom
>
>   Thanks, Mike.  I'm not snowbound until tomorrow when we go to see the kids in CO but I loved the picture anyway.  I wonder if you ever get sated with these gorgeous photos?
>   Kitty
>   Mike Sutton wrote:
>
>     for all you snow bound folksMike
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 17
>    Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:41:17 -0800
>    From: "Mike Sutton" <suttons@lightspeed.net>
> Subject: Re: little girl
>
> Yes Mark, it does, the only problem is she is looking at the wrong flower!
> :-)
> Mike
> ----- Original Message ----- >
> > Mike,
> >      It looks like that little girl loves those flowers.
> >
> > Mark A. Cook
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 18
>    Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:39:27 EST
>    From: storylade@aol.com
> Subject: Re: little girl
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2000 10:38:37 AM Central Standard Time,
> suttons@lightspeed.net writes:
>
> << the only problem is she is looking at the wrong flower!
>  >>
>
> I didn't know there was such a thing as a 'wrong' flower!  Some are just more
> 'right' than others!  LOL
>
> Betty / Bowling Green KY USA  Zone 6
> Only those who dare to dream can make a dream come true.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 19
>    Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:44:58 -0800
>    From: Chad Schroter <chad.schroter@quantum.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: HYB - UMBATA
>
>         This is a new term for me, "Umbata"...  I ordered something from
> Barry called 'Touch of Mahogany', it is out of Copatonic. T.O.M. shows this
> same pattern and color (coffee brown with a bold burgundy center on the
> falls) as Copatonic, however there is also a spot or flush in the center of
> the Falls which is pale violet. There is no 'blending' of the burgundy and
> violet either. My guess is that a gene has suppressed all pigments in the
> center fall spot area except for the pale violet (anthocyanin?) - meaning
> the burgundy area is a combination of pale violet and some carotenoids ?
>
> Chad Schroter
> Los Gatos CA Zone 9
>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: PAUL BLACK [mailto:midamerg@earthlink.net]
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:11 PM
> >>>To: iris-photos@egroups.com
> >>>Subject: [iris-photos] RE: HYB - UMBATA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>This is probably a very involved, interactive pattern.  Some
> >>>of the more
> >>>recent, distinctive work comes from Barry Blyth's lines
> >>>which go back to
> >>>Peach Spot and further back to Snow Peach.  There are also
> >>>the patterns
> >>>like Joyce Terry with the more defined banding.  A further addition
> >>>would be the plicata bands.  The tall bearded gene pool is
> >>>so mixed at
> >>>this point that it will take a lot of sorting to figure out what the
> >>>origins of these patterns are and how they relate to each
> >>>other and to
> >>>other modifiers.  Barry Blyth's Copatonic is a really good example of
> >>>one of the phenotypic expressions of this pattern.  I'm attaching a
> >>>picture of H93A which is also a good example of an amoena type
> >>>expression.  Tom Johnson is one of the parents and Tom is
> >>>directly from
> >>>Barry Blyth's bicolor line.  There are so many influences on
> >>>this type
> >>>pattern that I am sure there are no easy answers.  When I
> >>>use patterns
> >>>of this type, I approach it more from the vantage point of
> >>>what happens
> >>>if I add more anthocyanin or add the carotenoid pigments or flavones.
> >>>Of course, what happens with the interaction of these is still only a
> >>>guess.  All those unknowns is what makes it fun - and frustrating.
> >>>
> >>>Paul Black
> >>>Zone 8 Salem, Oregon
> >>>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 20
>    Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:42:01 +0100
>    From: "Jan Jacobsen" <bulbs@worldonline.dk>
> Subject: RE:Flowerchild
>
> Hi All
> Here is my daughter, Rebekka when she was 3, very happy with flowers.
> Jan Jacobsen -Denmark zone 4-6
> bulbs@worldonline.dk
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 21
>    Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:47:33 -0500
>    From: "sdkeller" <sdkeller@fcc.net>
> Subject: Re: RE:Flowerchild
>
> Just beautiful, Jan. Now she's got an eye for the best flowers!
> Sally Keller
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 22
>    Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:46:03 -0000
>    From: "Paul Black" <midamerg@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: HYB - UMBATA
>
> Hi Chad,
> This is also a new term for me.  It is a term that evidently came
> about in some of the earlier iris talk discussions.  My first
> encounter with it was a message from Linda Mann.  Linda, maybe you can
> cue us as to its origin.  I think it is one of those tentative
> descriptions given to a pattern to help aid in making the discussion
> easier.
>
> Paul Black
> Zone 8  Salem, Oregon
>
> --- In iris-photos@egroups.com, Chad Schroter <chad.schroter@q...>
> wrote:
> >       This is a new term for me, "Umbata"...  I ordered something
> from
> > Barry called 'Touch of Mahogany', it is out of Copatonic. T.O.M.
> shows this
> > same pattern and color (coffee brown with a bold burgundy center on
> the
> > falls) as Copatonic, however there is also a spot or flush in the
> center of
> > the Falls which is pale violet. There is no 'blending' of the
> burgundy and
> > violet either. My guess is that a gene has suppressed all pigments
> in the
> > center fall spot area except for the pale violet (anthocyanin?) -
> meaning
> > the burgundy area is a combination of pale violet and some
> carotenoids ?
> >
> > Chad Schroter
> > Los Gatos CA Zone 9
> >
> >
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: PAUL BLACK [mailto:midamerg@e...]
> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:11 PM
> > >>>To: iris-photos@egroups.com
> > >>>Subject: [iris-photos] RE: HYB - UMBATA
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>This is probably a very involved, interactive pattern.  Some
> > >>>of the more
> > >>>recent, distinctive work comes from Barry Blyth's lines
> > >>>which go back to
> > >>>Peach Spot and further back to Snow Peach.  There are also
> > >>>the patterns
> > >>>like Joyce Terry with the more defined banding.  A further
> addition
> > >>>would be the plicata bands.  The tall bearded gene pool is
> > >>>so mixed at
> > >>>this point that it will take a lot of sorting to figure out what
> the
> > >>>origins of these patterns are and how they relate to each
> > >>>other and to
> > >>>other modifiers.  Barry Blyth's Copatonic is a really good
> example of
> > >>>one of the phenotypic expressions of this pattern.  I'm attaching
> a
> > >>>picture of H93A which is also a good example of an amoena type
> > >>>expression.  Tom Johnson is one of the parents and Tom is
> > >>>directly from
> > >>>Barry Blyth's bicolor line.  There are so many influences on
> > >>>this type
> > >>>pattern that I am sure there are no easy answers.  When I
> > >>>use patterns
> > >>>of this type, I approach it more from the vantage point of
> > >>>what happens
> > >>>if I add more anthocyanin or add the carotenoid pigments or
> flavones.
> > >>>Of course, what happens with the interaction of these is still
> only a
> > >>>guess.  All those unknowns is what makes it fun - and
> frustrating.
> > >>>
> > >>>Paul Black
> > >>>Zone 8 Salem, Oregon
> > >>>
> > >>>-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor
> > >>>-------------------------~-~>
> > >>>eLerts
> > >>>It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free!
> > >>>http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/0/_/503733/_/977364585/
> > >>>-------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>--------_->
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________


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