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Fw: [iris] HYB: HIST: help - "red" umbratas?

Sorry  --  Should have used the right list.  -- Griff

----- Original Message -----
From: "jgcrump" <jgcrump@erols.com>
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] HYB: HIST: help - "red" umbratas?


> Linda  --  This doesn't have the "crisply defined white rim" that you
> mention, but is it anywhere near what you're talking about?  --  Griff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Mann" <lmann@volfirst.net>
> To: "iris- talk" <iris@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:58 PM
> Subject: [iris] HYB: HIST: help - "red" umbratas?
>
>
> > Anybody know of white ground "umbratas" with red shadow/spot on the
> > falls?
> >
> > I can only think of two amongst relatively recent intros -
> > ECSTATIC ECHO (Dahling 1983) and HEAVENLY BODY (Tompkins 1991).  Neither
> > of these has the crisply defined white rim that is in my idealized
> > mental image of this pattern.
> >
> > If both white ground blue umbrata and white ground pink/yellow umbratas
> > are both from I. variegata and controlled by some wierd, linked
> > mechanism, I'd expect to see more white ground red (with both oil
> > soluble yellow or pink and water soluble blue pigments) umbratas around.
> >
> > On the other hand, hybridizers abandoned recessive amoenas (white ground
> > blue umbratas) when WHOLE CLOTH and other easier to germinate dominant
> > amoenas came along in the 1950s.
> >
> > Are there many older white-ground "red" umbratas around?
> >
> > There are some orangish/brownish ones on yellow or cream ground - LOVE
> > THE SUN (Blyth), HONEY GLAZED (Niswonger), but I don't know what
> > pigments those might be & whether or not there could be both darker oil
> > soluble plus anthocyanins in the dark umbral "spot".
> >
> > --
> > Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
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