Fw: [iris] Re: HYB:germination rates+
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- Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:10:05 -0500
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From: "jgcrump" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB:germination rates+
> Whenever I'm contemplating first-generation results, I'm reminded of the
> story about George Bernard Shaw, who, it is said, was approached by a
> who suggested that they should have a child together. "With your brains
> my beauty," she said, "think what we could produce!" "Yes," replied Shaw,
> "but, on the other hand, what if it should turn out to have my beauty and
> your brains?" I try to keep this in mind when looking at the pack of dogs
> resulting from a cross of what I considered two thoroughbreds. It's
> considering what happy combinations may be latent in some of those
> disappointing first-generation products if later sibling or cousin crosses
> are tried -- or backcrosses. Attached is a pair of puppies from the
> litter that I'm looking forward to working with. There were 28 of them,
> not a single one that is worthy even of registering. But with a
> of BLACK FALLS, MOMAUGUIN, MARGARITA and BEST BET, I'm convinced that,
> somewhere down the line, a real beauty will eventually emerge. -- Griff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Autmirislvr@aol.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB:germination rates+
>> In a message dated 1/19/2006 7:49:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
>> <<What part of the 'broader view' am I missing?>>
>> Linda, I don't know that you're missing anything. Perhaps I was missing
>> something earlier. Or maybe our goals are so different that it doesn't
>> Maybe I can explain it best by showing this picture (attachment)
>> Little back ground. Doubt seriously this will ever be introduced. See
>> call for another white iris that blooms late and doesn't rebloom. This
>> seedling is 1/4 Edith Wolford, 1/4 Immortality with Silverado, Latin
>> Lady, Pledge
>> Allegiance & Beau Zam making up the rest. The pod parent was a pretty
>> seedling from Edith X (Silverado x Latin Lady.) The pollen parent a
>> reblooming seedling with no distinction.
>> Frankly, I didn't expect much from this cross and didn't plant it. The
>> seedlings remained in a mum pot for 3 years. They all died except the
>> 3. Late this past spring this seedling bloomed in that mum pot with
>> about 2 inches of soil left in the bottom! (also had red seedlings and
>> purple plicata seedling do the same) Other iris bloom was gone so I
>> spent more
>> time than normal looking at the blooms on this one stalk. I think it
>> Why didn't I plant it when I moved out here, or even last year? Low
>> expectations. I breed to produce new and exciting rebloomers. I didn't
>> expect to
>> see anything either new or exciting from this cross! Even now, much as I
>> this seedling, it's got nothing to excite anyone but me.
>> Why do I find it exciting? Well, it's mine! <vbg> But, I see
>> look at this and see that I could be just a heart beat away from
>> really great! One parent was a pretty little thing that carries
>> while the other is an average (but not ugly) seedling that has rebloomed
>> The pod parent is already gone, and I was on the verge of trashing the
>> pollen parent. I've gone from looking at the pollen parent (1004-5Re) of
>> seedling as a failure, an also ran if you will, and now I see it as being
>> of a another chance as a parent. I've LOTS of this seedling so pollen
>> be a problem!
>> With the 1812 I've learned many things from the first round (80+) of
>> seedlings. You don't always get what you expect. Lemon Reflection
>> really does NOT
>> carry the plicata gene! Here's a list of what I got from the cross.
>> were tall.
>> 1) 1 pure med yellow.
>> 2) 3 or 4 pale yellow with veining.
>> 3) 1 white with a pale lav sheen on opening (similar to the coloring on
>> Immorality) But tall with perfect branches.
>> 4) 3 pale lav with darker overlay on the falls.
>> 5) 3 or 4 that have a brighter poke berry stain on the falls. Usually
>> 6) 1 old gold with rust overlay. A very pretty rebloomer but the
>> is of small stature and the plant is one of the weaker of the bunch.
>> is the only thing this one has going for it and I may not even use it as
>> parent. It will depend on how the blooms fall!
>> 7) 1 pale yellow standards with more golden falls with purple beards
>> 9-80) The rest are some shade of yellow to old gold with some shade of
>> lavender overlay on the falls.
>> 8) One more from 1812, and the last I saw bloom. It has pale yellow
>> standard with cream falls. Three stalks this fall, great stalks, etc.
>> Looks the
>> least like the rest but one of the top 5 in potential. (picture in
>> 2005 fall)
>> Linda, I guess what I'm trying to say is that instead of looking <just>
>> perfect seedlings I'm now looking more for semi-perfect parents. <vbg>
>> that make sense? The thrill of the chase?
>> Most of my seedlings grow well for me. The ones that don't either die
>> (natural selection) or I dig them and pitch them (Betty selection)!
>> Over 1/2 of my crosses contain my seedlings. This accounts for my
>> success in seedling (new) survival. As I make more crosses with my
>> I have more rebloomers. A cross like 1812 has well over 50% rebloom.
>> seedlings that didn't rebloom are producing reblooming children.
>> I'm learning (still) like everyone else.
>> I guess I'm just having a lot of fun! Even when I know what I'm going
>> get like self x plicata (1812) it still lots of fun to actually see the
>> theories proven. And interesting to see that LEMON REFLECTION wasn't
>> plicata. Or it's recessive and didn't come out. But we'll see what the
>> other 56
>> look like this spring. Guess I should DO a plicata cross to see what
>> that 1
>> in 36 looks like in the next generation?? Even more interesting . . .
>> two half plicatas and see what the OTHER 35 look like! More overlays??
>> happens if I add a half plicata that's red??? Exciting
>> Back to the tedious stuff.
>> Make more crosses! If you don't cross them, you can't plant them!
>> Betty W. in South-central KY Zone 6 ---
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