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Re: HYB: Luminata seedling

  • Subject: Re: HYB: Luminata seedling
  • From: Autmirislvr@aol.com
  • Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:46:26 -0500

<<My ! you ARE up early!!!>>

This is the post that was lost yesterday.  I was up at 4:00 AM. on Tuesday.  Couldn't sleep. This morning I slept late!  For me. 

Sometimes a seedling will bloom and you'll wonder "how could that happen!" Just remember, the genetics do pass for generations and then you have strange, and sometimes great, things that happen with any particular cross. 

Some times an iris will do strange things only when crossed to certain other iris, but not do it in most crosses.  

I crossed Chinese New Year x Theme Master.  Whole row of lovely seedlings in a variety of colors.  Most were good looking plants.  No rebloomers.  Not even one.  One of the bitone blue ones (in archives-2005)(April?) was crossed by my seedling 1625-01re (Star Gate x (Violet Returns x Breakers) and by Mike Sutton's  Snow Melt.  SM is a strong and vigorous looking iris here.  One of my favorite patterns. 

These crosses are side by side.  Neither appear to be good plants.  Not one.  Maiden bloom expected in 2007.  We know what happened to me in 2007.  I've read that Snow Melt is doing well in other parts of the country.  Maybe they will look better in spring?  Maybe I'll see something in the children to save them anyway?  One or two?  These are two crosses where I'm glad I didn't plant all of the seedlings. 

I made my first crosses in 1986.  I've tended, all along, to select as much based on "potential" as actual beauty of the seedling.  Dr. Raymond Smith laughed at me!  In a good way, I think.  <vbg>  He said I was the only person he'd known that based my purchases on the R & I Introduction booklets!  

Expect the unexpected, remember potenital and/or specific goals when the cross was made, and mainly . . . maiden bloom can be deceptive!  The genes aren't stable yet.  

Above all, enjoy! 

-----Original Message-----
From: loic tasquier <tasquierloic@cs.com>
To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 2:00 am
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] HYB: Luminata seedling

My ! you ARE up early!!!
So Double Vision is an option!
Paul said he had weak stems with it, as well as with Double Click, but you are right, it depends on what you cross them with.
Thank you for the story!
Don't know if it's right to be always 100% thorough in the selection and discard slow growers; as you say, they still might be giving good things in the second generation. But this is what is difficult in selecting!
I've pulled things last year that i now regret... I had been told the hardest part was pulling the so-so ones, and i think i over suppressed my feelings in order to do it, and over did it!
I should have listened more to my heart!
Hope i will know better this spring...
It is quite surprising to see what happens with the seedlings, it's true. ( for me, it's very new, my first serious batch (1000) is only 2 years old!)
Some crosses have ALL the siblings grow like mad, some crosses have ALL the siblings melt and vanish (in my rich heavy sticky clay...) , and some crosses have one or two growing like mad, one or two melting and vanishing, and the rest growing at such a slow pace it will  takes ages to have enough just to share with the neighbour!
Hope the ones that grow like weeds won't be all dogs......
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] HYB: Luminata seedling

Loic, I thought I'd share my one experience with DV.  Several years ago, I crossed it onto the seedling that I registered as Another Journey but didn't introduce. 
23 seed.
4 plants. 
Held over and not planted until I moved out here in 2003.  They all have been very slow to grow, but tenacious.  The pod parent is medium to fast in growth & increase.  A gorgeous smooth burgundy self was moved to the reselect bed.  For my pleasure or future use.  As Griff says, it will probably never be introduced due to the slow growth.  

All had PBF, but the real surprise was the two red on cream plicatas I got from the cross, one fancy and one plain.  I was not aware of plicata in the background of the pod seedling.   

I've been reluctant to use these in breeding but I have hopes that the increase problem can be cured in a second generation. 

I've been a bit surprised at a relative randomness of increase.  (as opposed to vigor) 

Most of the 1812 (Lemon Reflection x All Revved Up) children have been mid to great with increase, but some of the children appear to be much slower. 
Double Vision,

-----Original Message-----
From: loic tasquier <tasquierloic@cs.com>
To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:48 am
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] HYB: Luminata seedling

Welcome back Francelle!
What a shame you lost this seedling!
Asking Paul Black advice on which RE irises i should buy, and very tempted by using Double Click and Double Vision, he told me not to use them, having been proven giving very week babies.
 I decided to try them anyway, since i won't cross them with TB, the results might be OK with SDB, we'll see. But i was warned.....
Thanks for sharing your joy as well as your sorrow, this forum should be different from a Catalogue, where everything is ( supposed to be ) perfect.
I find it very interesting to also see the weak ones, the dead ones, the dogs and the monsters!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:14 AM
Subject: [iris-photos] HYB: Luminata seedling

Robin wanted to see the luminata seedling that didn’t make it, so here it is.  One like this still makes me sad, so I concentrate on the better ones.
Francelle Edwards  Glendale, AZ  Zone 9

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