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Re: Fwd: Breeding for blue beards on white

  • Subject: Re: Fwd: Breeding for blue beards on white
  • From: "Margie Valenzuela" <IrisLady@comcast.net>
  • Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:18:50 -0700


Hi Chuck,
Thank you. That gives me good news and some hope as I wait for the others to bloom next year, as well as looking forward to making a sibling cross. I no longer grow Lady Celeste, so that 'cross back' probably won't happen. :_) 
LC was a very vigorous grower and increaser, that is partly why I chose her as one of the parents. Another reason is she had at least 9 buds per stalk with decent branching.  Sly Fox, in my opinion, grows well some years, but not all years.  But SF has great substance, decent branching, and a gorgeous form.  Crosses between the 2 plants seem to have promising potential.
~ Margie V.
Oro Valley, AZ.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 5:22 AM
Subject: [iris-photos] Fwd: Breeding for blue beards on white


A follow up. I was thinking of another cultivar when I posted. I don't
have a photo of Lady Celesta on file. I double checked registration

Lady Celesta actually would seem to be a good choice on this search. It
does have a dark beard. You can darken beard by combining the cartenoid
with anthocyanin. Need to do sib x sib or sib back to Lady Celesta.
Use whitest sib you can. check beards closely when selecting seedling
to use .

Chuck Chapman

Using Sly Fox would not be the best route towards this goal.. Any iris
with a cartenoid beard would work against increasing anthocyanin. 

There have been a few good iris that aproach this goal. If you can
find it MARGARET VIOLA WHITE by Lloyd Zurbrig would be a good one
to use. The best in this colour that I know of. 

To get a dark black beard on white, you need something heavy in
aphylla inheritence to start with and then as many doses of the
dominant reduction of anthocyanin "I" as you can get. You need the
anthocyanin enhancement gene "Ae" to get the dark beard, and this is in
a lot of dark blues/near blacks that have aphylla in background. Then
as many dosages of I as you can get. This route has produced a number
of pale blues with very dark beard such as Codicil, and Blackbeard.
Then cross to white with anthocyanin in beard. As beard gets darker it
is harder to repress th
e anthocyanin in petals, so it ends up being a
compomise. Using something like Sly fox could darken beard by having
both cartenoid and anthocyanin in beard. It would take some doing,
(many generations) but need to cross to something near black with dark
beard, not a light blue like Lady Celesta. Lady Celesta doesn't have
the Ae gene. 

Chuck Chapman 


  Re: HYB TB Photo: SLY FOX x CELESTE correction 


Posted by: "Margie






  Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:48 pm (PDT) 




  Thank you Chuck, yes that all does make sense. 


Question: the goal with this specific cross was to see if I could come
up with a pure white TB with a dark blue beard, how probable is that? 


~ Margie V. 

Oro Valley, AZ. 




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