Re: gypsum (iris nutritional requirements)

What is the best way to replace calcium and sulfur?
On Jun 14, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Chuck B wrote:

<x-tad-smaller>Harold,</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Your recent comment that iris are heavy calcium and sulfur feeders is new and interesting information for me.  I use gypsum for my clay soil as you do.  I knew that it didn't have an effect on soil pH, but what I didn't know was the low solubility and, thus, availability to the plants.  Thinking back I realize that it does not dissolve well in rain, for instance.  I had heard that calcium was beneficial to iris, but nothing about sulfur.  I would like very much to get more information on nutritional requirements for iris.</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>thanks,</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Chuck Bunnell</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Lafayette, IN</x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>P.S.  I'm sending this thread to the Iris Talk forum too.</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>----- Original Message -----</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>From:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Harold Peters</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>To:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>iris-photos@yahoogroups.com</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Sent:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Monday, June 14, 2004 7:48 AM</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Subject:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>RE: [iris-photos] gypsum</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Irises are heavy feeders including both calcium and sulfur. Plant nutrients have to be dissolved in water for the plant to be able to adsorb the nutrient. Since gypsum (calcium sulfate) has a very low solubility, neither the calcium nor the sulfate are readily available to the plant. The low solubility also means gypsum has a very minor effect on pH. The gypsum package gives the application rate for loosening the clay. The rate  is high enough that the ground is white before tilling it in.</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Harold Peters</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Beautiful View Iris Garden</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>2048 Hickok Road</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>El Dorado Hills, CA 95762</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>harold@directcon.net</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>  www.beautiful-view-iris.com</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>-----Original Message-----</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>From:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Sandra [mailto:bardraj2003@yahoo.ca]</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Sent:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:47 PM</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>To:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>iris-photos@yahoogroups.com</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Subject:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Re: [iris-photos] gypsum</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Oh, and I was blaming it for the poor growth in that bed the first year.  I though I had put too much.  What</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>about the sulfate part could that have any bearing ?</x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>Sandra</x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>----- Original Message -----</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>From:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Harold Peters</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>Sent:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:38 PM</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Subject:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>[iris-photos] gypsum</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>My understanding of gypsum is that it is good for loosening clay soil but of minimal value as a source of calcium because of its very low solubility. I have clay so use gypsum routinely when rototilling beds.</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Harold Peters</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Beautiful View Iris Garden</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>2048 Hickok Road</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>El Dorado Hills, CA 95762</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>www.beautiful-view-iris.com</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>-----Original Message-----</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>From:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Sandra [mailto:bardraj2003@yahoo.ca]</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Sent:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:22 PM</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>To:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>iris-photos@yahoogroups.com</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Subject:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Re: [iris-photos] RE: IB Agatha Christie (gypsum)</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>That's what I had added to the soil, too - gypsum, several years ago.  Hmmm, perhaps an experiment is in</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>order.</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Sandra</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>----- Original Message -----</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>From:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Chuck B</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>Sent:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:59 PM</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Subject:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Re: [iris-photos] RE: IB Agatha Christie</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Sandra, Sharon, et al.,</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Agatha looks more like Sandra's version.  In fact, that's exactly the way I remeber it colorwise.  That grew in pretty good soil which may have had some gysum (calcium sulfate) added several years ago, but I can't really say that the soil was calcium rich.  Don't know.</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Chuck Bunnell</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Lafayette, IN</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Region 6 </x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Zone 5a-5b</x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>From:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>slengst@aol.com</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller> </x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>Sent:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>Friday, June 11, 2004 12:04 AM</x-tad-smaller>
<x-tad-smaller>Subject:</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>[iris-photos] RE: IB Agatha Christie</x-tad-smaller>

<x-tad-smaller>Sandra,  et al</x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>Attached is a combo of my Agatha Christie, top left and yours, bottom right.  There really is a difference, probably soil conditions.</x-tad-smaller>
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<x-tad-smaller>Sharon</x-tad-smaller>



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