I wasn't even aware there was a species parallel to
Iris-talk until Linda Mann mentioned it. What's the URL? or should I ask
"How does one join?"
I also didn't realize Robert Pries would have been
cut out of the loop if the discussion we've enjoyed had been moved to the more
appropriate site(s). What a loss that would have been!
As far as not-cross posting is concerned--I can
point to this exception--right here.
The roots-and-origin material is something I cannot
imagine lacking interest and value to anyone interested enough in irises to
participate in this list OR Iris-photos. Pedigrees and family trees mean a
great deal to me and I just naturally assume they do to everyone, but I have
some advantage over many of the members.
Along with Keppel, Ghio, Harder and Moldovan who
were all about the same age I was, we learned from the really "old
timers." There are several other members of these lists now that date from
the same decades we do, and I don't mention them by name because I didn't have
the good fortune to get to know them first hand when I was still active in the
Those were the days when *we* were the kids of
the tribe and grew--for ourselves--many of the grand and wonderful irises named
in those pedigrees almost all the way to the right-hand side of the page.
They weren't "historics" then--just inexpensive state-of-the-art
materials those in their teens or twenties could afford.
I don't know if Joe Ghio or Keith Keppel grew Lent
A. Williamson, La Neige, Purissima and such but I'll bet they did. I know
they did grow the next generation or two of things because those are the
ones they registered seedlings from. I had only the oldest ones
because I had a fabulous resource in one of the very, very old timers--Mary
Tharp. I couldn't afford $20 irises. I waited for them to get to the
give-away stage mostly.
I was using New Snow and Snow Flurry along with
Chivalry and such at the same time as other folks, and love to read the
pedigrees/family trees that trace back to those treasures of the past I
knew and grew first hand.
To talk about species and origins is meat for the
grinder for anyone who really wants to understand what is going on now, and to
grow some of those early varieties that trace back to species origin in two
generations or three is a terrific education for anyone who loves irises.
I think my first tagged cross was in the late '40's
and was of Purissima X Magnifica, only three generations away from species
and a few diploids of uncertain ancestry. The results grew at an astonishing
pace and were the healthiest and ugliest bunch of mutts anyone ever saw, but the
fun of growing them hooked me for life. For compelling reasons I've taken
a very long vacation from iris, but I did raise a lot of iris babies back in the
dark ages of irisdom. I registered several, intruduced some and should
have kept most of them home and made compost of them.
My mistakes are included in three of the seven
published Check Lists, none of them being the most recent two.
I read and wrote substantial quantities of the kind of thing we do here on
Iris-talk, but used stamps and mailbox instead of the "Enter" or "Send"
buttons. I've known or met or had correspondence with some
wonderfully helpful folks that I wish were still around today--using stamps and
gasoline instead of a hard drive and a mouse.
I'm still learning the protocol or manners
appropriate to our way of doing things now. I appreciate the patience of
those who learn right with me.
Neil Mogensen z 7 western NC
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