Chuck, have you looked at oranges for Ae inclusions? I'm thinking about
somebody (Ginny Spoon?) commenting on FB that orange crossed with black
was one way to get black seedlings.

I'm wondering if Ae inclusions are always/sometimes/rarely present in
orange petals? Or if it's just that some oranges have better
coverage/smoother color application over the entire petal than most
yellows? or other things one might use to breed for black.

Linda Mann